Javier Perez could you please let me know of a good site I could go to, to do more reading. I would prefer reading up on this and working from there. Thanks, Matthew Hoggan -----Original Message----- From: fedora-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:fedora-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of fedora-list-request@xxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 5:12 PM To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: fedora-list Digest, Vol 41, Issue 47 Send fedora-list mailing list submissions to fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fedora-list-request@xxxxxxxxxx You can reach the person managing the list at fedora-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxx When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of fedora-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: CNN video (David Boles) 2. Re: Here are some of my ideas for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9 (Erik Hemdal) 3. Re: CNN video (Thufir) 4. Re: CNN video (Frank Cox) 5. Re: Here are some of my ideas for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9 (Thufir) 6. Re: kdeaddons requires kdemultimedia-extras (Michael Schwendt) 7. Re: CNN video (Mikkel L. Ellertson) 8. Re: Please clearify (Jason L Tibbitts III) 9. Re: mc (Les Mikesell) 10. Re: kdeaddons requires kdemultimedia-extras (lostson) 11. Re: some help with document root for mailman lists (Scott Berry) 12. Dual bootable instalation with windows 2000 server and Fedora 7!!! (Matthew Hoggan) 13. Re: Dual bootable instalation with windows 2000 server and Fedora 7!!! (Itamar Reis Peixoto) 14. Re: Dual bootable instalation with windows 2000 server and Fedora 7!!! (Javier Perez) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 14:59:41 -0700 From: David Boles <dgboles@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: CNN video To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <468C184D.7030007@xxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" on 7/4/2007 2:45 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 04 July 2007, David Boles wrote: >> on 7/4/2007 2:20 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: >>> On Wednesday 04 July 2007, Aaron Konstam wrote: >>>> On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 11:15 -0500, Rod Haper wrote: >>>>> Gene Heskett wrote: >>>>>> On Wednesday 04 July 2007, Rod Haper wrote: >>>>>>>> I just tried this, set it for Netscape-4.8, and got told I needed the >>>>>>>> Turner Media player with the option to download it now. All other >>>>>>>> spoofs don't get past opening the player window, but don't error >>>>>>>> either. >>>>>>> What version of the flash plugin do you have installed? What does >>>>>>> about:plugins report? You need Flash Player version 8 or later. >>>>>> I have 9. >>>>> That is very strange as it is working for me and numerous others. Are >>>>> you sure that about:plugins reports the flash plugin version as 9.x? >>>>> What version of Firefox are you running? >>>>> >>>>> Are you perhaps using a different helper action for flash which is >>>>> pointing to an older version? To check the flash action: >>>>> >>>>> Edit -> Preferences -> Downloads -> View & Edit Actions... >>>>> Use the search function for "flash" >>>>> Select "Shockwave Flash file" and click the "Change Action..." button >>>>> Make sure the "Use this Plugin:" option is selected. >>>>> >>>>> Note: the above directions are for FF 1.5.0.12. The sequence may differ >>>>> for FF 2.x. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Rod >>>> As I have said several times you can't do this unless you change that >>>> value of the config parameter: >>>> browser.download.hide_plugins_without _extensions from true to false. >>> And it appears that 2.0.0.4 doesn't have such a beast. >> What he is talking about is in about:config. >> > Yes, I was aware of that, and mine doesn't have such a line. I also have to > type it in the address bar , as its not in the help pulldown like it used to > be. > > Thanks > >> BTW from an earlier post of mine >> >> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Firefox_:_FAQs_:_About:config_Entries Really? Not that I don't believe you but mine does. Firefox 2.0.0.4-2.fc8. Edit > Preferences > Content > (near the bottom - File Types) > Manage You know that you can add that line if it does not exist? -- David -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/attachments/20070704/2d76768 5/signature.bin ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 18:12:09 -0400 From: Erik Hemdal <ehemdal@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Here are some of my ideas for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9 To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <1183587129.3199.36.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain > From: Alan Cox <alan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> . . . . > On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 08:09:42 +0000 (UTC) > Thufir <hawat.thufir@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 21:17:12 -0700, David Boles wrote: > > > > > > > I am not with Fedora but just a Fedora user for a long time. Fedora has > > > said this has to do with USA laws *and* company policy to only provide > > > FOSS. Which I think is a really goo thig.None of the third party sites > > > that I, myself, know of are in the USA. You can read that as you wish. > > > > Well, now I'm curious. What possible US law could apply? Aside from GPL > > issues none come to mind. Do you have more specific info? > > See 2600 Magazine v USA (the decision over linking to DeCSS) > > It's a common confusion that the US has "free speech". The US has "free > political speech" (mostly) and the two are quite different. It's not a free speech issue; it's one of inducement to copyright infringement. It's very controversial. For a long time, if you distributed a device that could be used to infringe someone's copyright, but which had other non-infringing uses, you were not liable for copyright infringement, even if one of your customers used your device to infringe on copyrights. This resulted from a lawsuit against Sony, which made the original Betamax video recorder. Sony convinced the court that, since you could do a lot of things with a VCR besides steal movies off the TV, that they could not be held liable if a few customers did just that. I've seen the Betamax case described as a "safe harbor" -- it gave guidance for manufacturers if their devices might be used to violate copyrights (and they wanted to avoid being sued). A later decision, I believe it was against Grokster, a file-sharing service, went the other way. Grokster was found to have based their business model on allowing customers to steal copyrighted materials, which isn't legal. The court didn't buy the argument that customers weren't being forced to steal files -- they could share legal files just as easily. This decision put the "safe harbor" back in question. I understand that the Fedora project wants to take a principled stand for free software, and this is very admirable. But with the Betamax safe harbor not so safe anymore, it's no wonder that Fedora doesn't link to any sites for non-free software. The argument might be made that by linking to sites for non-free software, Fedora was inducing its users to violate the law. Perhaps it's violating someone's copyright, violating some patent rights, or inducement to infringement -- it's all a risk. I'm not an attorney, although I am interested in such things, and you can find much more on Google about this if you are very interested. If you have access to the magazine _Communications of the ACM_, you'll find the "Legally Speaking" column by Pamela Samuelson. She is an attorney, and provides an informed opinion about such matters. Erik ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:22:30 +0000 (UTC) From: Thufir <hawat.thufir@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: CNN video To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <f6h6j6$lm0$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:24:28 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > Several replies to their "new CNN site blog" mentioned not working with > linux. Mine was one of them till they deleted it (probably something to > do with my suggestion that they do a news story on how time warner was a > microsoft puppet . Awesome, ROFLMAO. You never heard of giving a little sugar to keep them sweet? One of my favorite sayings, doesn't seem apply here directly, is "you get more with a gun and a kind word than you do with a kind word," being a play, of course, on being sweet. -Thufir ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 16:24:02 -0600 From: Frank Cox <theatre@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: CNN video To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Cc: Thufir <hawat.thufir@xxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <20070704162402.a3bccf6e.theatre@xxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 22:22:30 +0000 (UTC) Thufir <hawat.thufir@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > One of my favorite sayings, doesn't seem apply here directly, is "you get > more with a gun and a kind word than you do with a kind word," being a > play, of course, on being sweet. "Smile, and the world smiles with you. Snarl and you get better service!" -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:32:40 +0000 (UTC) From: Thufir <hawat.thufir@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Here are some of my ideas for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9 To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <f6h768$lm0$3@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 08:00:05 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: > I would love to see three-click install of freshrpms (first two screens > saying that fedora and red hat are clear of all legal ties with livna > and that users to this at their own, blah, blah, blah) - but fedora > devels say that their lawyers advise against it! Kill all the lawyers. Seriously, though, I don't see why the above isn't ok. Of course, I'm not a lawyer! :) -Thufir ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 00:33:11 +0200 From: "Michael Schwendt" <mschwendt@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: kdeaddons requires kdemultimedia-extras To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <440f31f60707041533n6a2496cbt2fdf9188288033f6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 04/07/07, lostson <lostson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Wednesday 04 July 2007 04:29:08 pm Michael Schwendt wrote: > > On 04/07/07, lostson <lostson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Hello > > > I am curious to know as to why kdeaddons requires kdemultimedia-extras > > > as a dependency ? This seems kind of odd to me. Now I have juk and all > > > these other apps I really don't need or want. I take these 2 packages are > > > linked somehow but why and what for ? > > > > There is no such dependency in the kdeaddons.spec file. What binary > > rpm do you refer to? And where does it come from? > > > > $ grep extr kdeaddons.spec > > %package extras > > %description extras > > %post extras > > %postun extras > > %files extras > > - kde* package splitting in -extras > > I am referring to kdeaddons - 3.5.6-4.fc7 I installed it this morning and it > pulled in kdemultimedia-extras as a dependency. I was wanting to have the > google search box in konqueror as I use konqueror as my web browser. and the > kdemultimedia-extras package it pulled it is 3.5.6-7. These came straight out > of yum as i did a yum install kdeaddons. Ah, I see. Sub-package-bloat-confusion. kdeaddons.spec BuildRequires kdemultimedia-devel, which due to the sub-package split leads to "noatun" related files in kdeaddons depending on noatun libraries in kdemultimedia-extras. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 17:49:08 -0500 From: "Mikkel L. Ellertson" <mikkel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: CNN video To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <468C23E4.40100@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Rod Haper wrote: > After a couple of days of Googling for info, I happened upon a > work-around for the problem. > > Click on Tools->Extensions to pop up the Extensions window. Then click > on the "Get More Extensions" link at the bottom of the window to bring > up the Firefox Add-ons page. Use the Search function to search for > "User Agent Switcher". > <https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/59>. Download the User > Agent Switcher and restart Firefox to complete the install. Then > right-click on the tool bar at the top and select the "Customize..." > option. Drag-n-drop the User Agent icon onto the tool bar. Left > click the User Agent icon and select the "Netscape 4.8 (Windows Vista)" > option. CNN videos will not play correctly. > > I haven't played with User Agent Switcher enough to know if the problem > is CNN rejecting Firefox, Linux or the combination of the two but > spoofing the server as Netscape 4.8 running on Windows Vista works. It > will be interesting to see what other spoofing combinations work. > This should produce some interesting statistics for Visa usage based on visitors to the site... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sparc and Ultrasparc processors in any modern Sun have essentially nothing in common with the 68000 line, and nothing in common with anything that has ever been included in a Macintosh. - J< ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 18:00:42 -0500 From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: mc To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <468C269A.7000908@xxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Matej Cepl wrote: >> What kind of operations are you trying to do? There are a lot of >> options, including using freenx and the free NX client to get good GUI >> performance through a remote ssh connection. Or, use the command line > > No thank you -- ssh just works and I don't have to fiddle with another > complex stuff. Moreover, I have limited bandwidth, so graphic > applications are out for me. Freenx/NX work surprisingly well over low bandwidth connections - and you have the option to suspend your desktop session when you disconnect so long-running operations can continue and you don't have to wait to open frequently-used applications, you can just leave them running. Try it before deciding that it won't be usable on your connection. >> tools that cover 100% of file management functionality and are >> faster/easier if you use some conventions when creating files and use >> names that will match wildcards or put things under directories that can >> be manipulated in one step. > > OK, just if understand correctly -- instead of mc which I like and use, > you are suggesting either to use Krusader (I don't have KDE installed > anymore, but that's another matter -- gnome-commander would fit as well) > or {cp,mv,rm,etc.}? What so terrible and horrible about mc that you are > not willing to accept that as an option? I didn't say I wasn't willing to accept it as an option - I asked what operations you were doing. Generally I'd use cp/mv/rm myself - or maybe rsync for copying, but prefer a GUI desktop with several windows visible at the same time. I just don't like the user interface of mc very much and haven't had any problem without it. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell@xxxxxxxxx ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:01:56 -0500 From: lostson <lostson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: kdeaddons requires kdemultimedia-extras To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <200707041801.59716.lostson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Wednesday 04 July 2007 05:33:11 pm Michael Schwendt wrote: > On 04/07/07, lostson <lostson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Wednesday 04 July 2007 04:29:08 pm Michael Schwendt wrote: > > > On 04/07/07, lostson <lostson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > Hello > > > > I am curious to know as to why kdeaddons requires > > > > kdemultimedia-extras as a dependency ? This seems kind of odd to me. > > > > Now I have juk and all these other apps I really don't need or want. > > > > I take these 2 packages are linked somehow but why and what for ? > > > > > > There is no such dependency in the kdeaddons.spec file. What binary > > > rpm do you refer to? And where does it come from? > > > > > > $ grep extr kdeaddons.spec > > > %package extras > > > %description extras > > > %post extras > > > %postun extras > > > %files extras > > > - kde* package splitting in -extras > > > > I am referring to kdeaddons - 3.5.6-4.fc7 I installed it this morning > > and it pulled in kdemultimedia-extras as a dependency. I was wanting to > > have the google search box in konqueror as I use konqueror as my web > > browser. and the kdemultimedia-extras package it pulled it is 3.5.6-7. > > These came straight out of yum as i did a yum install kdeaddons. > > Ah, I see. Sub-package-bloat-confusion. kdeaddons.spec BuildRequires > kdemultimedia-devel, which due to the sub-package split leads to > "noatun" related files in kdeaddons depending on noatun libraries in > kdemultimedia-extras. good 'ol rpm hell weird how they tie all that together. -- LostSon http://www.lostsonsvault.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. 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Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Zullinger" <tmz@xxxxxxxxx> To: <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 4:47 PM Subject: Re: some help with document root for mailman lists > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/885 - Release Date: 7/3/2007 10:02 AM ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 16:50:22 -0700 From: "Matthew Hoggan" <mbhoggan@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Dual bootable instalation with windows 2000 server and Fedora 7!!! To: <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <000001c7be96$16543e20$6401a8c0@matthew> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Any recommendations on how to go about doing this. I have run endless searches on the net and nothing is coming up. Matthew Hoggan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/attachments/20070704/65e18b6 f/attachment.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 20:51:45 -0300 From: "Itamar Reis Peixoto" <itamar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Dual bootable instalation with windows 2000 server and Fedora 7!!! To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <001d01c7be96$4d5f94f0$fe01a8c0@ispbrasil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" why you don't run both at the same time ? install fedora 7 and run your windows 2000 under qemu or vmware. -------------------- Itamar Reis Peixoto e-mail: itamar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx msn: itamarjp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx skype: itamarjp icq: 81053601 +55 34 3238 3845 +55 11 4063 5033 ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Hoggan To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 8:50 PM Subject: Dual bootable instalation with windows 2000 server and Fedora 7!!! Any recommendations on how to go about doing this. I have run endless searches on the net and nothing is coming up. Matthew Hoggan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/attachments/20070704/a141090 c/attachment.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 19:11:34 -0500 From: "Javier Perez" <pepebuho@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Dual bootable instalation with windows 2000 server and Fedora 7!!! To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <d78e07350707041711o60cc8ccbhf4c8ee7b51597c17@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On 7/4/07, Matthew Hoggan <mbhoggan@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Any recommendations on how to go about doing this. I have run endless > searches on the net and nothing is coming up. > > > > Matthew Hoggan > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > What do you need to know? I have Windows 2000 dual booting with Fedora 7 and both are having lots of fun together :) I am not at my machine right now, but off the top of my head, each one have their own sets of partitions. In fact I dedicated one partition to be a common data area (looking forward to have both firefox and thunderbird share the same set of data whether I start on Win2K or F7 mode, but that's for the future, now it is just another vfat partition) -- ------------------------------ /\_/\ |O O| pepebuho@xxxxxxxxxxx ~~~~ Javier Perez ~~~~ While the night runs ~~~~ toward the day... m m Pepebuho watches from his high perch. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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