Tim: >> I would think any programmer that required outside help to install stuff >> that ordinary semi-competent users can manage to install without outside >> help is a hopelessly incompetent person to have as a programmer. Les Mikesell: > I take it you don't understand the concept of multiuser machines where > users don't have the root password. You know - the environment unix was > designed for... Incorrect. I understand that quite well. In addition to what I'd previously said: If you're a company that writes programs, and you don't have competent technical staff on-site that can handle installing what needed, you're a business in a seriously precarious position. I take the meaning of a programmer as someone who writes programs. If you mean some data entry monkey, then why would they be installing extra software? That's like asking the receptionist to install new lines for the PABX. Installing everything, and the kitchen sink, is a rather incompetent way of going about things. -- (This box runs FC6, my others run FC4 & FC5, in case that's important to the thread.) Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists.