Since people yelled at me I have been bugzilla-ing more. I still find it a royal pain in the &^%$&. It probably does a good job in notifying the developers of bugs. But what it rarely does is solve your problem promptly. Recently I got a further request from the bugzilla person that I needed to send him a gdb stack trace of the program crashing. My immediate response was how can I do this when I did not compile the program with the appropriate option. Do you all know the answer? Well I feel educated now so I would like to share this with you all. In the tree of rpms suppled in the Fedora repositories there is a debug subtree that contains rpms with that symbolic information. So in my case gnome-cd was the offending program. I had to install the gnome-cd-debuginfo rpm. Isn't that neat and from my point of view been kept sort of secret, for me at least. > -- ======================================================================= They're giving bank robbing a bad name. -- John Dillinger, on Bonnie and Clyde ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx