Re: Where Fedora Went Wrong (nice conclusion)

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Bruno Wolff III wrote:

After all, this crate is close to the bleeding edge, so a couple of
burps in the barrel during an upgrade can become a huge problem. It's
predictable, it computes and it happens. To then run off to complain
about a broken system which becomes magically "fixed" by a clean install
to another distro is just this side of lame. To know that the majority
of these users head to Ubuntu is enough to keep me here, where the
majority of the users left here are clearly clicking on all cylinders.

Except that doing clean installs is a real pain.

That's a problem that could be solved. Not easily, but at least it makes an interesting problem...

> One of the high priority
future goals of Fedora should be to make upgrades work well. Besides
making upgrading less work, this also mitigates concerns about the relatively
short life span of Fedora versions.

But, making an in-place update work necessarily limits the changes that can be made between versions. Suppose instead you require some extra space that you can use through the re-install (nfs/ftp/ssh, etc. would work, or a spare partition or USB drive) and store a list of packages plus all the user-modified data there, then make sure the current versions of the packages are installed in the new system and put the data back, modifying as necessary for the new packages. It's not all that hard to do this by hand and it could probably be scripted to work at least as well as an in-place upgrade without the limitations.

As for Ubuntu - they haven't been through a 'hard' upgrade yet (like a major kernel rev difference) so I don't think you can compare their history yet.

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  Les Mikesell
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