Les Mikesell: >>> there are three methods known to fix windows problems and you always >>> try them in this order: (1) reboot, (2), reinstall windows, (3) >>> reformat. Tim: >> The three "r"s..., though you're missing the fourth one: repeat... Claude Jones: > Not my experience at all. I manage around 50-100 machines depending on the > time of year and trade winds - been doing it for ten years. I've reinstalled > Windows less than 5 times - I've done a fair share of repairs, many more than > re-installs, but that saves all the settings and data. There are lots of good > reasons to not like Windows, but it gets downright silly sometimes on these > lists... Well, to be pedantic, have a look at Les's post, again. What do you have to do, in that list, after a "reformat"? ;-) I have one Win98SE box left here, that's been reinstalled only two or three times, at least one of those was a hard drive change, and another was so many strange faults that I just gave up trying to diagnose it. In general, I avoided the three/four Rs of Windows debugging. But then I rarely installed stuff on the box, it's crap-outs were generally down to itself, not me. But for a large number of people, it's what they have to do, and quite often. They don't know how to diagnose a file, and/or they don't have the time. -- (This box runs FC6, my others run FC4 & FC5, in case that's important to the thread.) Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists.