Gary Stainburn: >>> If you look at http://www1.ringways.co.uk/images/moz_ie_diffs.png you'll >>> see a screen grab of a web page I'm working on. The Mozilla view (left >>> one) is how I want it, but the I.E. view (right one via VNC) is what I'm >>> getting. Mozilla rendering with a simple "rule", MSIE rendering with fancy 3D chiselled cell borders... Do you mean you want MSIE to render like Mozilla, too? Patrick >> I'm assuming that it's the thickness of the borders in the IE table that >> is the problem. Have you tried adding "border-collapse: collapse;" to >> the css for your table? Gary Stainburn: > I have tried that. I've also tried things like increasing the values for the > border-spacing, border, and even padding values at both the table and td/th > level. That's going the opposite way, surely? If you wanted the Mozilla affect, you don't want spacing between cells. I don't have a Windows box handy to play with at the moment, but I seem to recall that HTML like <table rules="all" border="1"> along with CSS like table {border: thin solid #999;} was all that I did to get MSIE to render very simply drawn table rules (as per Mozilla and its ilk). Perhaps with th, td {margin: 0;} as well. I'll have to check later, but that's the source code snippets from a page that I'm sure rendered in that way when I was testing on different browsers. Have you read through the CSS specifications?