Tim wrote: > Incompetent admins, who cannot manage spam properly, and resort to carte > blanche blocking, ARE another problem in themselves. <snip> > Yes, the very > notion of black lists is flawed, the implementation of them even more > so. Out of interest, Tim, how much are those two sentences related? Are you condemning per-country blacklists, per network blacklists, or all blacklists? What's your opinion on stuff like http://psbl.surriel.com/? (The idea being that certain "spamtrap" email addresses are created and placed where human beings won't see them, but automated programs which collect e-mail addresses will. Then any IP address which sends an e-mail to one of those addresses is by definition sending unsolicited e-mail, almost certainly in bulk, and can be listed.) (And again, how much would you condemn someone using these blacklists as an indicator of spam, but requiring several independent spam-tests to show positive before marking an e-mail as spam?) > Likewise for any > other seriously stupid ideas they implement about how to tell apart spam > from non-spam. What did you have in mind? James. -- E-mail: james@ | "Watch batteries fitted here." What kind of spectator aprilcottage.co.uk | sport is that? | -- "I'm Sorry, I Haven't A Clue", BBC Radio 4