> unfortunately > > removing one of the drives causes the kernel to shuffle the drive > > assignments up (rather than simply leaving a gap as with IDE). IE. > > normally I will have sda-sdc... if I remove the second drive, my goal > > is to have sda and scd (with sdb missing) instead of having sda, sdb > as is assigned by default. > What I suspect is happening when you remove the second drive is that > your rules are creating /dev/sda and /dev/sdc, while the default rules > are creating /dev/sdb that is the same hardware as /dev/sdc that you > created. If you removed the third drive, then the forth would probably > end up as both /dev/sdc and /dev/sdd. That's exactly what is happening. > The other thing you could try is to change the names from sda%n to > something like raid%n and then configure the RAID driver to use these > names. This seemed like such a simple and promising solution but unfortunately is a no-go. Booted up from the install CD to test... manually created the device nodes for the raid* devices, even deleted the sd* nodes just to make sure :-) Used mdadm from the commandline to create a raid array specifiying the /dev/raid* nodes as the member drives. No errors... that's a good thing :-) Then took a peek at /proc/mdstat and there it is happily syncing the array... with member devices sda1, sdb1 and sdc1. The only thing I can figure is that the MD driver is looking back to the kernel (and/or /sys)... since no matter what /dev nodes I use dealing with the array it seems to always translate that back into an SD device. >From my reading today it appears that the FreeBSD folks have at least thought of this scenario and have (albeit through a kernel compile switch) the ability to have a fixed scsi device mapping. But I've seen no mention of anything similar in Fedoraland. At this point I think I'm just going to have to keep a second spare SATA drive laying around to make sure that if anything goes badly wrong enough that any of the drives decide to check themselves off of the bus that I have something to stick in its place to keep the drive order constant. :-) Unfortunately this seems to be one of those things that SATA has inherited SCSI... though I still can't make a case in my mind about why it ever would have been a desirable behavior to have one's devices rearrange themselves :-) Cheers, >>>>> Mike <<<<<