http://www.washington.edu/alpine/ announces : > In late 2005, Computing & Communications at the University of Washington > began a project to create a new family of email tools built upon the > Pine® Message System. This family of tools is called Alpine. Alpine > consists of a UNIX command-line program, a PC version, and a Web version. > Alpine will be licensed under the Apache License, Version 2.0. > The target date for the release of Alpine is October 1, 2006. IANAL, nor a programmer, and can't tell whether things that sound very similar to me are functionally equivalent; hence the following Very Dumb Question, even having followed the link from the above to http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0 and tried to read the prose there -- i.e., and to wit : Does this news mean that Fedora will be able to start including Alpine, as RedHat used to include Pine? It would be *very* nice to be able use yum to install and update something which (I admit I'm guessing) would be as like Pine as one pea to another in its pod -- and maybe even have it included in the ISOs and media in the first place. Pine, even more than Opera, is one app without which I'd lose interest in the whole Net in a hurry. I can get both, and have been doing for years, with downloads, rpm commands, and occasional yum install commands to fill dependencies; I'll go on if I have to, for as long as necessary. *If* I have to -- will we continue to have to, or is there hope? -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD Neo-Redneck Linux Convert FC5; CXO 5.0.1; Pine 4.64, Pan 0.14.2.91; Privoxy 3.0.3; Dillo 0.8.5, Galeon 2.0.1, Epiphany 2.14, Opera 8.54, Firefox 1.5 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about.