While I'm not inclined to bash the tremendous effort of many volunteers over many years to bring us a free and stable OS, this wireless card issue is a hot topic with me. As to Windows, this last week when on vacation, I took my laptop. While I was able to get a network connection at two hotels, I could not get on the Internet to save my life; not even with a dial-up connection. So much for Microsoft and plug-and-play. Booting FC5, at the hotel where there was an Ethernet connection, I was on the 'Net without a problem. At the next hotel they offered only wireless access, so I was SOL since my wireless card is not compatible with Linux. Yesterday I asked the question, both on this list and on LinuxForums, about what a reliable Linux-compatible wireless card for a Dell 8500 laptop would be, without having to resort to a custom kernel or ndiswrapper. The sum of my responses: 1. So, I'm puzzled about the lack of response to the question, since most questions I've seen here get several responses within the next couple of digests. I'm more than willing to put in the time to arrive at a solution before going on the next vacation, but I'm sure that a number of potential converts from Windows will not be willing to do so. Am I being ignored because the answer is out there somewhere in the archives and no one wants to give me RTFM as an answer? I have invested in quite a number of technical books on Linux and FC5, BTW. as well as considerable Googling. Jim