nigel henry wrote:
> On Thursday 15 June 2006 16:23, Mike McCarty wrote:
>> nigel henry wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to complain about this problem, I want
>>> to
>> Why not?
> If this had been an MS OS that you'd paid for, then I suppose you should
> complain. Not that they would have listened. When you get something for free,
> I believe it's a bit different. Alright, you expect it to work, and FC5 does,
> although with the caveat that a lot of folks seem to be having Nvidea, and
> ATI graphics driver problems. Me too, with Rage128's r128 driver. But I'm
> using the vesa one, and apart from not being able to play DVD's, the graphics
> are ok.
>
> I think my biggest complaint is that when you insert disk 1, you have no idea
> of changes that have been made since the earlier version of FC. A couple of
> pages here, showing major changes from the previous FC, and perhaps things to
> take note of during the install. This, before Anaconda starts, could save a
> lot of hassle, and annoyance, particularly for existing FC users. Putting
> aside the floppy problem, which I've fixed by creating a floppy directory
> in /media, and creating an /etc/fstab entry for the floppy, the biggest
> annoyance for me as a dial-up user is pirut. (pronounced pirate)
>
> I had a lot of problems installing FC4, having to retry the install between 12
> and 15 times. Tried reducing the packages to be installed, doing a basic
> workstation install, and on and on. Perhaps this was why with FC5, and for
> the first time, I (bad move) did not customise the packages to be installed,
> only to find out post install, and after changing the r128 graphics driver to
> vesa, that pirut was, as of yet, incapable of accessing the CDROMS to add
> packages, without creating a local Yum repo, and I only discovered that after
> trawling through Fedoraforum. I would not want to put a new user to Linux
> through the hassle of creating a local Yum repo, taking up 3GB of harddrive
> space, and due to updates to the packages will probably only be of any use
> for about 3 months.
>
> I suppose at discovering the "pirut" problem, and only having to had to change
> the graphics card driver to get X started, I should have re-installed. Going
> the Linux way, not the MS (you need to re-install the OS) way, I merrily DL'd
> KDE, and all the development stuff that I normally install. (lots of dialup
> time)
>
> I have since put another install of FC5 on the same machine. Using the, once
> bitten twice shy premise, this time I customised the packages on the way
> through.
>
> This is a light hearted reply, and see what you get from asking "why not".
>
> I'm 57 years old, only started with computers in 1993, while encouraging my
> son to get into IT. Started with an old P1 with Win 98, then moved onto a new
> machine with XP preinstalled. I tried to get my son interested also in Linux.
> Always wanting to try out something a bit near the edge, I tried Linux, and
> have never turned back. My son's latest job is mainly working with MS OS's,
> but he did say they a machine with RH on it, so there is hope yet.
>
> Incidentally, XP don't want to bootup on the machine it was originally
> installed on. There's a lot of 3rd party security on it, so I don't believe
> it's infected. I don't think it likes the idea that so many Linux distros are
> running on it's machine.
>>> see it fixed, and clearly, at least with KDE, there is a problem at the
>>> moment.
>>>
>>> Perhaps the bright spark who decided to remove the removable media
>>> from /etc/fstab would post back, telling me how I can access my floppy
>>> drive while logged into KDE.
>> Unless the eventual plan is get rid of /etc/fstab entirely, then
>> different file systems should not have their mounts described in
>> different places and in different formats. Especially, I for one
>> do not like systems automatically doing stuff without there being
>> a place to control how they do it.
>>
>>> Nigel. (not too impressed with FC5)
> Perhaps I was feeling a bit grumpy when I said that.lol.
>> Hmm. Have you thought about Debian?
>
> I am running Debian as well.
>
> Just 2 machines networked through a dedicated Smoothwall Express2 firewall,
> and onto the Internet with a serial (slow as hell on dialup) modem, but
> better than no connection.
>
> !st machine has Win ME (just goes on line for 3rd party security updates),
> FC1,FC2,FC3, and the 2 instances of FC5.
>
> 2nd machine (the one that XP won't bootup on now) has FC1, FC2, FC3,
> FC4,Debian Sarge, Debian Sarge/Etch, Slackware 10.0, Gentoo (which as a
> newbie wasn't a bundle of fun to install).
>
> Right. Run out of words now. Nigel.
>> Mike
>> --
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>> You have found the bank of Larn.
>> I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you.
>> I speak only for myself, and I am unanimous in that!
>
You went from FC-2 to FC-5. Didn't you think that maybe, just maybe, something
might have changed in all of that time?
What you are talking about is called "Release Notes" Start here:
http://fedora.redhat.com/ Then click on the Big red word Documenation
which will take you here:
http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/
There are many links here to useful information. But since you are jumping
three releases I would suggest that you read FC-3 and FC-4 also.
There are also many user websites with helpful information. Many are mentioned
here, on this list, all of the time.
BTW the 'Release Notes" are also available to read on one of the installer
pages on CD-1. Lower right hand corner. Before you install anything.
As for DVD's that I can not say for sure because I don't do that. I would
think that you need the codecs so that your player can read the DVD. Those are
NOT included because they are not opensource. The video problem you mentioned
is a Nvidia problem because, once again, the drivers are not open source.
Fedora does not supply non open source packages. Both should be available on
not-fedora sites however.
--
David
