Russell Golden wrote: > something else that bugs me. If I upgrade from Shrike to FC4, I get the > regular console startup stuff. If I install FC4 from scratch, I get a > graphical thing during boot, and i have to press one of the buttons to > see what's going on. when your machine only has dual P2's this doesn't > work too well. Is there a way to install from scratch and get the > console boot thing like there was in Shrike? I don't know about "from scratch" but it is quite easy to get the desired behavior. Go to your /etc/grub directory and edit the kernel lines to remove the "rhgb" parameter. rhgb=red hat graphical boot. FWIW, it would be nice if folks would stop using this thread for "kitchen sink" items. Create a new thread with meaningful subjects! This thread is getting very boring with things that have nothing to do with Fedora. I'm just about getting ready to put this subject in a kill file as well.... Thanks, Ed -- Ban the bomb. Save the world for conventional warfare.