alan: >>> What I have never figured out is why these problems usually occur with >>> disc four. Tim: >> Wild guess: By the time you've got around to using disc 4, the drive >> has warmed up a bit, and the tolerances have changed enough due to >> temperature changes. Russell Golden: > that doesn't explain why disk 5 failed though Well, it doesn't need to bugger up disc 5 as well, does it? It's already made your life difficult by screwing up disc 4. ;-\ But being serious, I've always avoided spindle packs. They seem to be the dregs of the barrel. -- (Currently running FC4, occasionally trying FC5.) Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists.