> I still don't think that makes FC5 user-unfriendly. There are dozens of > websites like > http://stanton-finley.net/fedora_core_5_installation_notes.html that > show people how to do things in a very simplified manner. > -Zubin > Simple to someone who's familiar with Linux. But a MS Windows user is used to having things auto install, or install with a simple click of a mouse. Not following instructions to copy something to a particular folder, or unzip and untar, then rpm -ihv ... Did you look at the instructions to install Java? And if something doesn't work, then what? I am not a newbie, but I still have a whole lot to learn. Many people on this list are light years ahead of me. But despite that I find it daunting at times. So simple is relative. Simple to a Linux user who is used to the days of less user friendly environment. But not simple to a user who grew up on Windows and if things don't work with a double click of a mouse they are at a complete loss. FC5 has some user friendly aspects to it. But it's not Windows. And if you have a user that needs that degree of user friendliness, then best identify his needs and find a distro that has as much of what he/she needs already included. Otherwise it's a recipe for failure and bound to cast Linux back in the dark ages in the eyes of that user. Jacques B. Jacques B.