I've found this to be a VERY interesting thread. It's all has to do with etiquette and on mailing list as in life there are just some plain rude people. Add to the mix that computer geeks (including myself) tend to be elitist, *nix aficionados especially so. i.e.: "...after all I have gone through a severe amount of pain and mastered *nix; therefore I am far superior to the Windoze drones." The general "Linux is far superior to anything else, RTFM you freaking idiot, and BTW Windoze sucks" attitude is a great detriment to Linux. I think this attitude is the root cause or the problem (my personal favorite was someone refusing to respond to people who 'top post' in replies, I personally think the whole top posting idea is counter-intuitive and akin to trying to carry on a conversation by repeating everything that was said before and then adding your own 2 cents) As a newbie to *nix a few years ago I tried to go through an online *nix training program the University offered. It was useless as it was far to fine grained information, (no big picture overview), to be of help (like the finer points of using VI). There were lots of times I didn't even know where to look for help (which file, website, man page) and this list was of great help. I agree with Les when he pointed out that man pages, if they exist, are a reference; (if you don't know the subject already they are useless and very frustrating.) But I strongly disagree that one must have interment knowledge of the command line, I/O redirection, and environment variables before starting a program. That's like saying you must learn how the internal combustion engine works before driving a car. Jeffrey T. Birt Electronics Engineer Integrated Systems Facility University of Missouri - Rolla 573.341.6058 -----Original Message----- From: fedora-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:fedora-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:59 AM To: For users of Fedora Core releases Subject: Re: Why questions don't get answered, or "No, I've already RTFM,tell me the answer!" On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 09:07, Charles Howse wrote: > My first experience with Linux was when I bought a book about Linux that > contained Red Hat 5. Didn't know what a man page was until I finished > reading the book. Today I am still dumbfounded sometimes by the lack of > help contained in a man page, or by the over abundance of terms that I have > to stop and look up, then try and understand whether that applies to my > situation. You really have to understand what the shell does to every command line before starting a program before reading other man pages. The concepts of i/o redirection, wildcard filename expansion, and environment variable setting are not repeated in the man pages for every program even though they may be useful or even necessary. Man pages are meant to be a reference, not a tutorial. A tutorial should be a separate volume since you normally only need it once and never want to see it again while you may need the reference for obscure options later. Unfortunately, a tutorial doesn't exist for some programs you might want to use. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell@xxxxxxxxx -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
