Kam Leo wrote: [snip] > Yes, if one knew that was the place to look. Look at this from the > perspective of a visitor/first time Fedora Core user. How do they get from > http://fedora.redhat.com to > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/? Why would a first time Fedora Core user want to? The fedora-websites-list came up in this discussion because of your complaint that the changes were "kind of stealthy (clubmembers only)". I would assume a new user would want to hit the download link (http://fedora.redhat.com/Download/), then browse through the installation guide (http://fedora.redhat.com/Download/install.html) while they were waiting for the images to load. Then they would see the "Get Help If You Need It" section if they needed help. That leads to a page (http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/communicate/) with all the Forums, IRC channels, and mailing lists. Could it be better? Sure, but it is a work in progress. Is all the info there if you look around? It appears to be so far. -- William Hooper