Thanks Andy. Yeah, it could be lots of other stuff I am not exactly sure where to go, but that is were the strace and debug stuff comes in. It is a user mode segfault as far as I can tell, so yeah, I guess it is actually the interpreter buying the farm. As soon as I get the system back I will try the vesa change and then (if that is not it - as you suspect), I can go further on the other test ideas. Honestly, it has been a long time since I saw this kind of issue on any *nix system I work with. I started with source from MIT long ago when X was in development, but I have not been active in development (except as a manager) for more than 10 years. I have used *nix and X a lot over the years, but I never had the bad luck to be using hardware where we had this kind of issue. Most of the time we were writing drivers for the hardware as part of a project, so the rest of the system was 'plain jane' and known to work. When we used *nix for servers, we never put the gui on them and we were in BSD for the most part, so even though I have done lots of projects with *nix I just do not have much experiance in hardware that does not work (unless it is my team's code that is the issue - and we are in a good position to fix that stuff). I really suspect that other issues on the MB/display combo may be at work, but it is hard to shake the fact that the OS runs fine unless I use X. I get no errors at all and all the non-gui hardware appears to be cool (disk, CD, net, etc...). Even fancy stuff besides yum is running fine (audio, CD burners on X, that sort of crud). Normal apps/services like MSQL, SAMBA, and compilers appear to run fine. As for the console that works - I found it in the on screen 'sessions' menu on the gui boot screen. It looks a lot like a character mode gui console, and I can use it as a user or as root (I can also su to root from my user account) and all is well. Lots of other gui stuff is cool. Like you said, this could be in deep in Python or some other such oddness. Heck, at this point I honestly don't give a darn (well I kinda want to know) why, I just want to see if I can get a reasonable full feature desktop replacement for fully gui users with security. I am trying to spec a replacement for XP. I honestly think the functions are there for the most part, but I still feel that none of the normal users I interact with would even consider any system that did not just run out of the box. They put up with MS crap (when things go bad) because they allready drank the coolaid. The only reason I have a window of oportunity to switch them is the security issue - they are pissed at MS over virus problems. The damn problem is that this darn MD and card are actually aimed at people who care about 3-d for games. I don't give a crud about that in this instance, I just have actuall working systems on the other boxes I use and I don't want to mess with them for this demo. I also don't want to buy another MB right now - I am wainting for an Intel Mac for myself, unless I can see something in FC that comes close in presentation and security. Now so far I have been impressed on the security side, but presentation is sucking wind just now...Ah well, Moan and Groan - just like a darn user... Oh well, I will either get to the bottom of it or scrap this MB/Card combo and move on. Thanks, Cecil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Green" <andy@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: "For users of Fedora Core releases" <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 3:38 PM Subject: Re: stability help needed > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
