take a look at vtiger (google is your friend) ... it has all groupware functionality and quite a bit more... the outlook (outbreak haha) connector is open source... regards, Rudolf Kastl --- http://newrpms.sunsite.dk 2005/8/11, Craig White <craigwhite@xxxxxxxxxxx>: > On Wed, 2005-08-10 at 21:00 -0400, Tom Diehl wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2005-08-10 at 15:39, Craig White wrote: > > >> Outlook LDAP integration is > > >> deliberately crippled on non ADS setups. Outlook IMAP support is > > >> deliberately crippled. So the insistence on using Outlook as the client > > >> application and getting open source to remedy deliberately crippled > > >> features on a program whose API's are deliberately not made available > > >> seems to ignore the reality of the marketplace. > > > > > > What versions of outlook have problems with LDAP and IMAP? I've > > > used it installed for internet mode don't remember problems > > > with outlook2000 with sp1 or newer. The personal calendar > > > even works with emailed meeting requests. The big missing part > > > is support for shared calendars and being able to see other's > > > free/busy times. > > > > > > > All of them!! Even when it works the UI changes enough for use with imap > > that most users will complain about it, at least initally. Users will > > complain because their imap mail is in a different tree than their > > pop3 mail was. Outlook's imap client has numerous bugs that cause > > problems with a lot of imap servers. Just look at the courier imap > > or other imap server mailing list archives for examples. > > > > Outlook has a lot of bugs in it, that AFAIK M$ has no interest in fixing. > > Unfortunately it is also the crack most people were sold first, so they > > do not know any better and are reluctant to change. > ---- > This is not Linux stuff so I have marked this off-topic. I probably > should refuse to take the bait but we obviously have 2 people (Thomas > and Les) who use and like Outlook with Exchange server. > > This all pertains to using Outlook without Exchange server... > > Outlook IMAP issues that I have found: > - won't save sent mail to any place other than 'Personal Folders/Sent > Items' - not a configurable option > - won't save drafts to any place other than 'Personal Folders/Drafts' - > not a configurable option. > - ignorant of namespace issues on IMAP server (to be fair, Evolution > behaves identically) > - IMAP connections are always locally copied and cached - not a > configurable option. > - IMAP connections often time out and you have to adjust (configurable > option) the time before it times out. > - IMAP boxes (pst files), don't roam in profiles unless you force them > to be in other than the standard location. When you roam them, they > create nasty 'prf' files which grow large and take long times to sync > back and forth for the roaming profile. > > Outlook LDAP Issues (non-exchange issues) > - cannot write to LDAP > - entries don't show up in Contacts or in Address Book. They can only be > 'found' in searches. > - doesn't support wildcard searches > - using LDAP has garnered little interest in my clients who use Outlook, > it's too clumsy for them to use and of minimal purpose. > > Now the real issue with Outlook is - PST files. They suck. Microsoft > doesn't care to fix the issue. I consider .pst files to be Microsoft's > sick joke on those who are suckered into using it as when they explode > (and they most surely explode), you lose everything, your calendar, your > contacts, your sent mail, etc. > > Lastly - as an administrator that has users running with minimal > permissions...just importing or exporting data requires you insert the > CD to install the feature - even if you 'installed everything' when you > originally installed it which means that I must log out, log in as > Administrator, fake Outlook into the export to install the feature, log > out, log in again as the user before I can import or export. They punish > administrators for being careful just to make sure that if you moving > data in/out, that you have the original CD. I find that to be a > refreshing reminder of how 'fragile' my data is and that Microsoft wants > me to understand that they control my access to my data. > > Sure - at one time (I think it was Outlook 98), I was seduced - now, I > just say no to Outlook. FWIW - the only mail I have ever lost on a > computer has been to Outlook on Windows and (not mine but a client's) > Entourage (Microsoft's single blob message store equivalent on a Mac). > > This of course, is one probably under-informed opinion. > > Craig > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list >
