Re: Browsers for those IE-only sites

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Dotan Cohen wrote:
On 6/24/05, Robin Laing <Robin.Laing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

This a cop-out.  It is being lazy.  There are many standards based WWW
sites that use the same tools.  The Webmasters take the time to
configure and build the correct templates to ensure compliance and
test their pages.  Again, it is the designer to ensure that they
follow the standards.  Lazy designers create crappy pages.


It may be a cop-out for english websites where you have so many to
choose from. Walla, the Israeli version of Yahoo, has almost no
competition. She must continue to use her Walla email address, but the
site just doesn't work on firefox or Opera. I have sent them numerous
emails. They're response is: get a windows computer. And we have one,
so why shouldn't we use it (her argument). If there are viruses
running around in it, she doesn't notice. It JustWorks (in the words
of another popular poster).


I was just at a IE only site or at least MS only site as the java calls didn't work. Of course my java settings could have prevented them from working.


Again, the standards are for the Internet, not just english version of the Internet. They are just being lazy.

The standards
  http://www.w3.org/

The standards validator.
  http://validator.w3.org/

Any decent webmaster will know how to use the validator. If they don't then in my book they cannot be a decent webmaster.

Yet my wife wants a new laptop and it has to have Linux on it.  She
cannot stand the crashes and virus problems.  Heck, she has an new Mac
laptop for work but she still wants to get a Linux notebook.  I love
my wife for this.  :)


What's her number? Is she cute? Oh, wait, shes already married... So am I...


Same as mine. I think so. :)


My wife uses OOo for both home and work as it works better than MS
Office when moving documents between different users.  She came across
her first problem with OOo beta last night.  I downloaded the latest
beta but I don't know if it is working.


For her studies they have to turn the papers in in .doc format. This
and that width, so and so height, that font, this margin,... She NEEDS
that stupid program. Or should I tell her to find a new,
standards-compliant professsor?


OOo 2.0 seems to be much better at this point. In fact better than between different versions of MS Office. Heck because of problems between MS Office, many around work here either use OOo or LaTex. Depending on here studies, then standard compliance should be important. Point the professor to OASIS.
http://www.oasis-open.org/home/index.php




As you say, your wife doesn't care about the headaches but let windows
trash itself and slowdown due to spyware and trojans and see what she
thinks then.


Truth is (don't tell this to Ety), I think that Fedora is sluggish.
Even if MS is slowed-down because of trash, it is responsive. And the
start-up time is about on third that of FC3/4.


I find that strange. I have to do some work on a Windows XP pro machine and I find that it is so very slow. The machines are the same.



Let your wife buy her own computer and let her know that she has to
maintain it.  Let her know the work that is involved.  Of course many
people say XP Pro is very stable but not from my experience.


Maintaining linux is easy? She doesn't know how to cd into the
Desktop!!! That's the worst argument I've ever heard- that maintaining
a linux box is easier than maintaining a windows box. Come on. Think
of a better one than that!


If you want to make it easy just run update via cron. All done. I don't but it takes only a few minutes to do it and it doesn't interfere with work. Not like Winodws that requires reboots with almost everything. I hate rebooting. My 8 yr old can even make changes to her desktop and stuff. This is self taught.



As my retired father said to me a week ago. Linux just works and works.


Linux doesn't just work and work. It takes maintaining (yum,
configuration). I plug the windows box into the cable modem and I'm
online. The Linux box took me over two hours to get online, and that
was while I was searching google on the windows machine for answers! I
don't mind, but that may be because I like to get my hands dirty. Ety
doesn't. She wants to use a computer, not maintain a computer. Like
going to the zoo to see elephants instead of raising one at home (we
have a dog and a rat, no elephant). I happen to 1) like Linux, and 2)
dislike windows. Thats why I use it. Ety likes 1) windows and 2) me.

My father uses a program for ham radio work. There are Linux boxes put in sites that have not had human access for over a year. They are still working.


I do admit I had a problem with FC1 when I first installed it on my home computer. I couldn't get the ATI video card to work, even with the ATI drivers. Turned out that the ATI drivers didn't support the 3D on the card. Got a nVidia card and all is well.

Attaching to a cable modem can be a headache depending on teh provider. My mother-in-law requires a stupid program to connect and that is a problem. Again I will give you credit here as the ISP probably provided a disk to setup the computer. Put in and the software is installed and configured. Mention Linux to them and they sound as stunded as a deer in headlights.


-- Robin Laing


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