Sharon Kimble wrote: > I use a program called 'kdocker' which allows you to dock a program into the > system tray, and if you log off with them still active and then restart > your session, they are restarted on startup. At the moment I have knode, > Gmail Todo, kpilot, Kcheck Gmail, and firefox locked down with it, and they > all restart. Perhaps it will help your problem? > > Take care > Sharon. Thanks for that advise, Sharon. I like to have my desktop start in the same state every time I log in no matter what it was like when I logged off. So, having it start the way I left it when I log off is not going to work for me. Manually saving a session seems to ignore the Firefox and Thunderbird windows for some reason. Starting with an empty session and using a script to start what I want in the desktops I want has problems in that they don't always start in the desktop I tell it to. Oh well, I'll keep playing with it. Thanks again. Charlie