fedora-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx wrote: > On Die, 2004-11-30 at 14:38 +0800, John Summerfield wrote: >> I maintain mail servers and I use (free) services of black lists. If >> your IP is listed, tough. > > Tough for the users of your mail server. Tough if they seek another > admin because of your incompetence. > If this is an example of the civility you use when trying to resolve the issue, I'm not surprised that your requests have gone unanswered. >> I'm also on dialup; I use my IAP's mail server to relay my outgoing >> mail. > > Fine, don't forget to wink at the listening NSA/FBI/CIA/... guys from > time to time. > And you think that your communication would be completely unmonitored otherwise? Did you install the hardwire between you and your destination yourself, or something? >> Even aside from problems with blacklists, using your IAP's relay >> makes sense if you have any volume of mail; your outgoings go >> quickly to your IAP who then has to worry about deliveries which >> _can_ take hours, days sometimes. > > Do you imagine your ISP to employ a lot of postmen trying to deliver > your messages? Wake up, we live in the 21st century. The average > desktop machine has hundreds of times more power than the system that > brought people to the moon. I mostly don't care how long my messages > wait in the queue, almost all are delivered on the first attempt > anyway. > Which removes one concern from not smarthosting your mail - the ability to track down and/or otherwise control that portion of the delivery cycle. >> Those black lists stop _a lot_ of spam. I get a few a day and dozens >> a day <plonked>. > > I do only get a few spams per moth, spamassassin eats the rest, but I > am not blocking legitimate messages from going through. It's not spam > that could kill e-mail, it's ignorant and busive admins like you! > > Tom I block somewhere around 60% of my incoming connections because they are spam. They're on blocking lists, both off-site (SORBS, etc) and my own. I can guarantee that they're spam. How? They're to addresses which were never meant to accept incoming mail. My logs confirm it. As far as I can tell, I've blocked 2 legitimate messages in the past three years based upon these criteria. Obviously, YMMV. At one point I was blocking over 10,000 messages a day from dynamic IPs on cable modems. Their ranges weren't otherwise listed, and it took their providers in excess of three weeks to address the problem. But one thing I don't understand: why do you feel you have any expectation to absolute privacy via email, especially when you're also demanding 100% deliverability? -Don
