On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 01:14 -0600, Jeff Vian wrote: > > > refuse to try and build packages that are cross compatible > "Refuse" is he wrong wording. It's technically impossible to be > compatible with arbitrary repositories containing competing packages, so > at least I don't even try to spend/waste time on trying to be > compatible. Ralf, it's not impossible. There was a time, when fedora.us did not exist, when there were a few repositories that did not know about each other and did their own thing. At some point it was clear that there was too much overlap and it made sense to at least make some policies and standars and when things break to work together to fix it. The result is here today, all major repositories (kde-redhat, freshrpms, planetccrma, atrpms, dries, dag, ...) they are all compatible with a minimum of effort. Sure from time to time there's something that conflicted either due to an oversight or miscommunication, in each case it was fixed within a few hours and (at least if you used apt) would seldom lead to a system that was impossible to update. All that is necessary is that when something new is released, you first look if it already exists. If it already exists talk the the 'authority' of that package and see what you would do different and what would cause incompatibilities. But instead fedora.us releases stuff that already existed for almost 2 years in my repository and change package-names so that it breaks. Or releases packages that does not follow a naming-convention that was even discussed on the fedora.us mailinglist at the very beginning. I hate to bring this up again, but these are examples where a minimum of effort would have helped a lot of Fedora users. And by refusing to even discuss this (see the RepositoryMixing document) there are now 2 camps, not 3, not 4, only 2. fedora.us and non-fedora.us. Some repositories manage to be compatible with both, some don't even bother anymore because of this policy. For me there's no reason to be incompatible. In fact, by being incompatible my users are indirectly harmed as they are inable t use fedora.us or livna.org. (Mind you, if you stay away from these incompatible packages, you won't notice this). > > in spite of > > Dag's attempts to work with them and make packages that "just work" > > regardless of what site they came from and what site mixture is used. > > Such attempts can only work in special cases at one point in time. > In general and in longer terms, they are doomed to fail. How do you know ? If 2 years isn't a long term, then what is ? If you don't try, you will never know, right ? But please explain to me why it is doomed to fail ? -- dag wieers, dag@xxxxxxxxxx, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors]
