Having started looking at gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.legacy, I'm woefully confused. On the one hand, there're some very recent posts by impressive people introducing themselves; on the other, there's a thread called "Good bye, Fedora Legacy!" started on Mon, 17 May 2004 17:43:04 +0200, by Michael Schwendt, which also has impressive participants -- and which seems to imply, to one of little wit looking for up, that security can't be counted on. For me, that's an OS-breaker; as I said in another thread, well-nigh automated updating, especially of security issues, has always been a sine qua non for my use of linux. I don't know enough to do otherwise, and am not likely to live long enough to learn .... It seems to me there's a broader point here; somebody please correct me as called for. My very limited understanding while mulling RH9's then-approaching EOL and replacements, and watching LUGs, was that one purpose of the whole Fedora project was to keep something remotely familiar (read manageable) to those of us such as old retired farts who couldn't read a line of code if it bit us, much less write one. Or am I barking up the wrong distro? My pension won't begin to keep me in RHEL, and I don't have the savvy to keep up with 99 44/100% of the discussion on any of the fedora lists on gmane, even if I had the time -- especially with The Seasons about to open. I have the System Settings > Service Configuration set up so that yum is checked; and under Status it says "Nightly yum update is enabled." Also, root's mail contains a logwatch and a cron report daily, most of both of which is way over my head. I *think* that the occasional-to-rare non-trivial responses I get to "yum update" as root during the day mean that it is working -- and that cron daemon reports like the one below mean that Adelphia The Eternally Accursed has dropped my connection yet again, rather than that there's anything wrong with my yum.conf or the mirror. ===== Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 04:02:06 -0400 From: Cron Daemon <root@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: root@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Cron <root@localhost> run-parts /etc/cron.daily /etc/cron.daily/logrotate: error: Ignoring up2date.rpmnew, because of .rpmnew ending /etc/cron.daily/yum.cron: Error getting file http://mirror.cc.vt.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os/headers/heade r.info [Errno 7] HTTP Error (CannotSendRequest): Error getting file http://mirror.cc.vt.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os/headers/heade r.info [Errno 7] HTTP Error (CannotSendRequest): [ALL of message] ===== SO : VVDQ of VVDQs : Is Fedora really still (if it ever was) the distro of choice for people like me who regret RH9, or is there another? If so, what? I don't in the least mind staying one release behind -- upgrading RH9 to FC1 only after FC2 comes out, FC1 to FC2 after FC3 does, and so forth. But, much as I prefer that everything that I do often enough to remember be keyboard-driven, I'm too absent-minded to hope to handle anything advanced without a GUI, and probably other crutches besides. -- Beartooth Autodidact, curmudgeonly codger learning linux Remember I know precious little of what I'm talking about!