I see nothing that stands out of the ordanary in the messages file, but I boot fine without PCMCIA I also can see the PCMCIA on the hardware probe. Should I let the system hang and then try to see the messages file again. I worry that everytime it boots fine, it over writes the old file with the new info. But heck I am very new at this. Anyway, let me know what else you need. Thanks a bunch. Jason Brower