It would appear that on May 2, David Collantes did say:
> On 5/2/2004 8:28 AM, Alexander Dalloz wrote:
>
> > Someone subscribed who uses a CR mail system - CR means challenge
> > response. And he did not whitelist the list mail address. So each mail
> > he gets has to be verified by the sender, replying to the automatic
> > feedback mail sent by the CR system.
> >
> > Exactly that is one reason why CR mail systems are crap. they are just
> > annoying for the very most cases.
>
> I suggest you to verify the facts before you bang your keyboard. Unless it is
> a broken system --which it could be--, challenge/response systems are very
> good when used correctly. You have not seeing any problem with me and I am
> using one. Spams? Zero. Works like a charm.
>
> As quite often, problems are not the system themselves, but the users... or
> lusers.
Pardon me but I have to insert my 2 cents worth...
I acknowledge spam *IS* a problem. But I dislike both what I've seen of
the CR systems and I've been stung by server black list systems before.
Actually if {read that *_IF_*} CR systems are smart enough to not let
their luser customers dump on mailing lists by mistake by automatically
detecting mailing lists and simply NOT send any challenges to it. so
that the luser has to personally whitelist it if he/she wants to get the
list's messages then I'd actually *LIKE* them. But as long as they need
their user to be smart enough to properly configure them to prevent this,
then I think that "crap" was an appropriate description...
I just wish the alternative methods didn't step on the little
non-offender who happens to use the wrong service provider or have a
mail configuration that happens to fit a spammer profile.
I used to like my free mail15 account because it was free, used imap,
and didn't make me transmit my mail password in clear text...
But probably because it was free, way to many spammer were using it or
something...
Currently some spam filters think I'm a spam relay because my From:
address points to my old memorable ttlc.net mailbox (I don't like asking
people to update their address books...) All of which is forwarded to my
more broadband mailbox. Which server I actually send my mail with...
So again, If the CR system is well enough designed to prevent user
misconfiguration from pestering mailing list contributors I'd say it
could be a great thing. But ANY such system that NEEDS it's user to know
what he/she is doing to prevent this... *IS* crap!
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