On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 11:18:31PM -0800, Merrill Jr. Butterman wrote: > Hello everybody, > Boy, you guys should be charging me by the hour for > this he he he. Ben, I looked at services and I got the > message of"gpm dead but pid file exsist" on shutdown I > notice that "mouse console services failed in > shutdown" However when I restarted gpm it started > sucessfully. any connection? my only option I think is > to see why console mouse services has failed and go > from there. thanks again for all your help but > suggestions at this point are welcomed. > Mbutterman I've seen this on a lot of machines. Seems to be related to rhgb (the graphical boot), which has the mouse in use during startup, and on many systems, gpm cannot get the mouse device while rhgb has it in use. Look in /var/log/messages for errors related to gpm startup, you might see something like: Mar 1 12:09:51 para8 gpm: gpm startup succeeded Mar 1 12:09:59 para8 gpm[895]: O0o.oops(): [gpm.c(949)]: Mar 1 12:09:59 para8 gpm[895]: mouse initialization failed Somehow gpm still thinks it started ok, and displays the green OK sign, but it fails to initialize the mouse. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=109613 The bug is marked "closed", but it is still present. However, it is fixed in FC2test1. Might it be possible to backport this fix (whatever it is) to FC1 ? David Jansen