On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 18:18, Merrill Jr. Butterman wrote: > Hello everybody, > Boy, you guys should be charging me by the hour for > this he he he. Ben, I looked at services and I got the > message of"gpm dead but pid file exsist" on shutdown I > notice that "mouse console services failed in > shutdown" However when I restarted gpm it started > sucessfully. any connection? my only option I think is > to see why console mouse services has failed and go > from there. thanks again for all your help but > suggestions at this point are welcomed. Not too sure with gpm. Are you running a laptop with multiple mouse devices (Eg. trackpad and external mouse), or do you use a bus mouse? If you are unlikely to use the mouse in text mode (I never do), you can just disable the service. As root, chkconfig gpm off Cheers, Ben