Dear xyzzy
It's me again. Sorry if I seem to be making light of your trouble but as they say if it was easy everyone would do it. Well everyone is doing the M$huck out the money bit, and I guess they get their money's worth but Linux is coming on strong. My money is on open source. Funny but that gives Sore Bill nightmares. That inspires Balmer to do his thing, and low and behold SCO gets a payday for spreading FUD. Funny isn't it jus the other day it seems M$ was found guilty yet today Sore Bill is knighted.. Now imho that just ain't American.Lets hear it for the little guy inspired by Saint Linus benevolence slaving away to perfect your experimental Fedora Code. But cheer up Red Hat knows just where to use that code. It is called in the Enterprise, and now Mr. Bill is getting a serious migraine and Mr Balmer well we don't want to get sued do we so we will just leave it at that. In my own experience Linux does not always come easy but I sure have met an awfully lot of nice people who went out of their way to help me. My best advice to you is to pour another cup of coffeee and roll up the sleeves or if it has gone that far pop the top and take a break.I can think of plenty of XP config nightmares not to mention IIS or Active Directory, .net etc.and I am sure others will be happy to share their bummers too. It just goes with the turf. The more bleeding edge the hardware, the more complex the task, well just keep that pot of hot java handy and prepare to burn the lights late.
On Sunday 22 February 2004 11:38 am, WipeOut wrote:
Re: My home system is an ASUS PVP800-VM motherboard which has hi-speed USB,
ACPI, Pentium IV with hyperthread, S-ATA, Intel Extreme 2 graphics (865G
chipset).
Nice hardware but I love my NForce 2 and Athlon XP, it gets the job done too.
I also have an antique Adaptec 2930 SCSI card for my LS-2000 scanner.
Under Red Hat 8.0 and 9.0 the scuzzy and scanner on my piii coppermine installed and ran without a hitch
Re: Redhat 9 install disks won't even boot on this machine unless I disable
the Enhanced IDE (<-- totally bogus!!) ... Fedora Core 1 is about the
same.
I am fairly certain this is an XP thing. I am still trying to get the Knoppix Test run to complete succesfully.
RE: I decided on FC1 because it uses a later kernel (2.4.22 ... 24?) which seems to support hyperthread and S-ATA better. When I finally got FC1 installed (I had to disable Enhanced IDE, install, compile a custom kernel and then re-enable Enhanced IDE), it was horribly SLOOOOOOW... running a shell in X and pasting a long command line took forever to complete.
All Fedora Core is beta at best, what did you expect.
Re: I figured that this might be due to the graphics driver, so I updated the
graphics driver from Intel and then X crashed with a segmentation fault in
the closed source part of the driver when attempting to start the X
server. Even changing back to the original driver in the XF86Config
didn't fix the segfault. Gotta reinstall? Who needs this? What a
nightmare.
Try NVidia they are Linux people. Much better graphics too.
Re: The issue here is that Windows XP runs "out-of-the-box" on this system
without problems and it is FAST, once it boots.
My son loves it to play games.
Re: I could try the 2.6 kernel (and I have a LOT of experience with
computers), but what's the use? The 2.6 kernel is not ready for
prime-time, not by a long shot, and neither, it seems, is Linux in
general.
Tsk, tsk. Why try 2.6 if what you have works anyway. 2.6 was rushed out the door in answer to SCO.
Re: I have seen too many bugs and posts on these topics about
SMP/hyperthread/ACPI and other issues that cause the system to lock up
after a time of running or not run at all and no fixes seem to be in
sight - maybe because these problems are intractable without inside
information about ACPI and other things that Intel will give to Microsoft
but not to Open Source developers. Maybe Redhat just doesn't care. Who
knows?
Bleeding edge always has it's painful installs but when it works such joy. Keep plugging away, unless you want to try AMD of course.
Re:I pity the average user that tries to install and run Linux on their
latest hardware. If I, as an experienced software engineer, throw up my
hands, what would a relative newbie who just needs the system to work do?
The average user is still using W98.
Re: I have real problems seeing how Linux is going to make it to the desktop
by 2005 with these kinds of road-blocks.
What is your rush. Linux is already making great progress, just ask Mr. Gates physician.
Re: Obviously by the fact that you felt the need to post you message here
you are looking for some kind of confirmation about you decision.. The
people in this mailing list are all Linux users so I doubt you will get
any..
No one lives in a vacumn. I for one am glad to use both M$ and Linux becaue it is required in my business. Did I mention the MAc, yes we support those too.
Re:No, I'm not looking for some kind of confirmation. I am looking for a system that works, and Linux is not working for me. What, are you saying that "Linux users" comprise some sort of religion?
Mac is a religion. Linux is for poor but hard working people. But soon that will include a whole lot more people because it works.
Re: I use Linux at work... I am a kernel hacker at work. That is my job. Redhat 9 works for me at work because the motherboard is not completely state of the art.
So why do you blame your tools?
Re:I am not looking for any sort of consensus or support for my "decision". I would rather that Linux worked for me. It doesn't and THAT is what I am bothered by. It seems that all of the problems with SMP systems locking up are not being addressed... where are the fixes for the bugs in BugZilla? Where is the vaunted Open Source community in all of this?
My friend you just crossed over into the Enterprise. Nothing is free.
Re: As you said you "have a lot of computer experience" so all I will say isSock it to him!
enjoy the viruses and worms, the BSOD's, the reinstalls when the
registry get full of crap, the annual licencing, the having to register
you products with MS and then having to call them up when you have to
reinstall, the locking down you freedom to save the files you want
without being hit by DRM systems and the freedom in general to have the
ability to rebuild the system as you want it not to be forced into their
meida player, web browser and MSN services..
I agree with all of this which is why I wanted to put Linux on my home desktop.
Re:However, even with all of M$ garbage, the bottom line is that their garbage works on my system and Linux does not.
See there you made Mr Gates feel better allready.
dcorrell
