On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 01:10:26PM +0100, Peter Boy wrote: [Menus] > menue opens the Kde configuration). And there are many more examples of > the un-usability of the SuSE desktop (or Mandrake - not so bad as SuSE). [...] That may be (I'm not using a DE - plain window manager for me, hence I mightn't be seeing some of the issues). However, the menus system Mandrake uses has impressed me quite a bit more than RH's - fir starters, 'cause all DE's and window managers are supported. If I install an RPM that has the menu entries properly set, it will show up in all supported window managers. Also, I like their way of providing for easily generated user customized menus. Similar structures might well exist in RH/FC, but for starters, I'd have to look for them, whereas in Mandrake they were quite obvious (even though I'm a long time RH user up until 7.3, now FC1). That might be one area FC could improve, especially, as Mandrakes' system seems kind of standardised (I remember reading something about being based on something from Debian, but don't quote me on that). Having the same system to provide system wide menus across distros would be a huge improvement in my eyes. Cheerio, Thomas -- ===> Netiquette - read it, use it: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html <=== ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Ribbrock http://www.ribbrock.org "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!"