Quoting Maarten Stolte <maarten.stolte@xxxxxxxxxxx>: > me neither, but looking on the opengroupware pages it seems they > opened up their older product, and they didn't provide a client > apart from a webclient which received a very poor review in an > english linux magazine. Fair enough. But it does work with Mozilla, iCalendar, etc..., based on the _standard_ those programs use. > Kolab already has a good kde client, and a good web-client > in the making (based on horde cvs). > So for now, Kolab looks like the more mature And that maybe so. > and for now more open solution to me, I gotta disagree there. A published WebDav implementation for shared storage, as well as the same iCalendar standard in use by Mozilla, Apple, etc... is quite _open_ from my point of view. Especially considering the functionality offered in comparison to other servers. > but hey, as we said before, its about definitions now it seems... If you don't like my "definitions," don't use them. I'm not using them to explain why OpenGroupware is "better," just to show that OpenGroupware _is_ "open." I hate the concept of "Proprietary" and "Open" as the two extremes (just like I hate the concept of "Liberal" and "Conservative" from a US political view), since many so-called "open" projects are more "proprietary" and there are also "good" proprietary solutions as well (hence "Commerceware v. Hostageware" - - instead of just "proprietary"). -- Bryan J. Smith, E.I. mailto:b.j.smith@xxxxxxxx http://thebs.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ [NT-based] Windows itself has never been the primary issue with security. Secure configuration of Windows prevents 98% of Windows software from working properly, especially Microsoft's own. Hence why a secure Windows is not an option for enterprises and consumers alike, since it would prevent them from working.