On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 07:20, Edward Croft wrote: > Yes, I knew BlueCurve was a theme, but there was also writeups that they > did stuff to kde and gnome that ended up breaking some things in kde. I > probably didn't explain it properly. As I said to Brian, I think it was, > I was tired and frustrated when I wrote that and frankly ranting. Let me > clarify, when I first installed RH8 with BlueCurve, I was a bit put off. > But then again, RH always defaulted to Gnome. I was always able to > switch to kde and it would look like kde. With the advent of the > thhhheeeemmmmmeeee BlueCurve, when I switched to kde it still looked the > same. It apppppeeeeeaaaarrrrreeeed, that you were stuck with BlueCurve > look and feel. I don't fault Ed on anything here, there was a lot of complaining on BlueCurve, and that's just what he heard. I chaulk it all up to "you can't please everyone," because Red Hat was targeting the "non-Linux user" who often heard the bigotry of "Linux needs a single interface." Here's the basic bullet points on why people said what they did: 1) Red Hat is _clearly_ a GNOME-centric company. Unintentionally this causes Red Hat to make GNOME-oriented choices. 2) One Red Hat staffer who supported a lot of the KDE stuff resigned over various details (not related to BlueCurve). Many people then proliferated that he resigned over BlueCurve. I don't know the details myself, but this is what was relayed to me 2nd hand. 3) Many of the default applications for _both_ platforms were GNOME. E.g., the default web browser for KDE was Mozilla, not Konqueror. I could see why KDE would get a little "disturbed at that." 4) You _could_easily_ reset everything "back to defaults." But many people found it even easier just to "bitch" instead of doing that. ;-ppp In a nutshell Ed, Red Hat gets a lot of flak it doesn't deserve. Yes, they make choices that make some people upset. And they _are_ clearly "GNOME-biased," but it's unintentional. You always have other choices though. > I had also heard that people had problems if they > attempted to load kde 3 on RH 8, so I didn't bother and learned to adapt > to the look and feel with BlueCurve. People have problems upgrading to the latest versions of GNOME, KDE, etc... all the time. > but I was going through a divorce, lost my home, then lost my job, and > a multitude of other things that left futzing with a desktop manager a > very low priority. Yeah, the last thing you wanted was "more change." Understand totally. ;-ppp > would like it if installing software was as easy and as supported as > on Windows. Try to install _two_ different versions of MS Office on the same Windows system. Where people see "hard to install" with regard to Linux, I see "DLL hell" with regards to Windows. So what is it? Easy installing or DLL hell because the platform does _not_ have dependency checking? There's no win-win situation, although apt-rpm is getting pretty damn easy. > but I still have trouble when I go to a music site and can't get > realplayer to work right. Whoa! Time out. That is _not_ a Linux issue! That's a site/vendor issue! Linux developers can do _little_ about that. Next you'll be blaming Linux for unsupported hardware. If you start blaming Linux developers for clearly 100% site/vendor issues, then there is no way to please you. You have to ask Linux developers for things they _can_ do. > I even tried Crossover Plugin, and that didn't work just right. Emulation never truly "works right." > On Windows, you download and run and it works. And that's because of vendor alliances and other business dealings. Yep, sure, that's the fault of Linux developers. Yep. > Okay, so the operating system has major problems, but > most things work out of the box. I don't have to go looking up how to > install drivers for webcams, scanners, et al. Damn I'm good! [ I knew you would come here ] > Okay, so I have an oddball scanner that was only supported under 98, Exactomundo. Now put it together ... - I can only view something on one OS - Hardware is tied to only one OS Hmmm, that means that I have to get my OS and hardware from select vendors! And I have to upgrade my hardware _every_ time I upgrade my OS. And my OS vendor forces me to upgrade my OS! Wow! Maybe there's some things going on that _force_ you into this situation??? Let's blame it on the Linux developers for not "giving me a way out" of my vendor lock-in. > but hey. I figure, if I am an RHCE, it all should be easy for me, > but it isn't. Because Linux developers can do _nothing_ about the problems you have above. > I just about aced that test, but still can't get music to play at a > website. If I want to play a DVD on my PC then I have to go and get > plugins for the software because the system doesn't come with it > because of licensing. Exactomundo. [ At least you get that part ;-] > Anyway, don't get me wrong, I am a supporter of RHL. I use it both at > work and at home. It just gets frustrating sometimes when things aren't > the way you expect them to be. > Okay, still tired, still running my mouth. Getting a cup of joe and > shutting up now. Well, I see your points. I hope you see mine in return. ;-ppp > Ed (under the gun all the time) Croft, RHCE -- Bryan J. Smith, E.I. mailto:b.j.smith@xxxxxxxx http://thebs.org
