By the way, I'm tired of being bullied by you, Mr. Hooper, so let's just end this, okay? You think I'm a sycophant if I don't buy RHEL or beta test bleeding edge software in Fedora. I disagree. Let's leave it at that. We're not going to agree. This is all just sad, because I seem to remember reading somewhere that Red Hat was actually making money on the boxed sets when they stopped selling them. So when you badger me about supporting Red Hat, keep in mind that many of us would have been more than happy to keep buying the boxed sets from here into eternity. The problem was that this didn't make ENOUGH money for Red Hat since they're now public now. So I, and many others were happy to support Red Hat. Just not at the cost of $100 (at the minimum) per desktop per year. Preston