> On Wednesday, 4 July 2007 13:51, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
> > > Still, my position is this:
> > >
> > > 1) The freezer (in the modified form, with the freezing of kernel threads
> > > limited to the ones that want to be frozen) is needed for hibernation.
> > >
> > > 2) The freezer is generally not needed for suspend, _but_ there are drivers
> > > in the tree that rely on it being used. Thus, at some point in time we can
> > > remove the freezer from the suspend code path, _but_ no sooner than we are
> > > sure that the majority of drivers is prepared for that.
> >
> > And we won't know if drivers are OK until we remove the freezer,
> > catch-22.
>
> I disagree. We can learn that by auditing the drivers.
In theory, yes. But it scales far worse than letting everyone
experiment/report/fix problems as they crop up.
> > So I think we need to disable the freezer at least in -mm and/or
> > optionally in -linus.
> >
> > I applied Matthew's patch, and suspend did in fact stop working
> > (thinkpad t60), but there was nothing catastrophic. Here's the dmesg
> > if somebody is interested:
> >
> > Suspending console(s)
> > usb_endpoint usbdev5.3_ep83: PM: suspend 0->2, parent 5-2:1.0 already 2
> > usb_endpoint usbdev5.3_ep02: PM: suspend 0->2, parent 5-2:1.0 already 2
> > usb_endpoint usbdev5.3_ep81: PM: suspend 0->2, parent 5-2:1.0 already 2
> > hub 2-0:1.0: suspend error -16
> > suspend_device(): usb_suspend+0x0/0x1c() returns -16
> > Could not suspend device usb2: error -16
> > usb_endpoint usbdev5.3_ep81: PM: resume from 0, parent 5-2:1.0 still 2
> > usb_endpoint usbdev5.3_ep02: PM: resume from 0, parent 5-2:1.0 still 2
> > usb_endpoint usbdev5.3_ep83: PM: resume from 0, parent 5-2:1.0 still 2
> > Some devices failed to suspend
>
> No, it's not catastrophic, but something like this will result in a
> bug report with "regression" in the subject.
If it was due to a config option marked experimental, then it's not a
regression.
It's a bug, and it needs looking at, but while the freezer is not
completely removed, it's not a serious problem.
So I agree with Ted, a config option (or maybe a runtime sysctl
tunable) to turn off the freezer for suspend should only have positive
effects.
Miklos
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