<snip> I'm not joking. Yes, there are some look-perks that Linux has - like the > > cube and the wobbly windows - that are nice, and "Oh wow!" indeed. > But did > > you notice my mentioning of the true transparency? Even conky isn't truly > > transparent, but what about borders or panels? </snip> Why? ? Ubuntu has semi transparent terminals, apps can be made transparent to varying degrees, why in the world would I need transparent windows, borders and menus with a dozen windows open on 4 virtual screens-- it may be cute but to me and others I work with, has no practical value, no aesthetics and leans toward unuseability. Fedora 14!, I'm glad not to have transparency. Wobbly windows, duh! On an average day I have Inkscape, Gimp, Scribus, Blender, Spreadsheets, Audacity, Chromium x 2 or 3, geany, gedit, windows, 2 or 3 terminals open at once and that's a normal day one that is unimaginable in Windows or mac. Couldn't imagine anything worse than seeing what's underneath while concentrating on work at hand. I love the look of Fedora and ubuntu. The "Oh! Wow" effect, I would say could be from windows and mac users whose mindset puts Linux circa "days of dos 3". Roger -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines