I tried something or other on the PC with the weird problem, and it complained that it couldn't contact metacity, or else that metacity wasn't running. Sure enough, I opened the System Monitor, and metacity wasn't in the list of processes. Man metacity gives me very confusing advice, and fails entirely to say how to start metacity if no other window manager is running. (I never knowingly install any other, and remove compiz.) Simply commanding "metacity" at a root prompt fixed the problems, sure enough! But I had failed to put an ampersand after the command, and knew no other way to get my prompt back was ^C. That not only stopped metacity, but gave me other troubles enough to force me to log out and back in. So now the machine is running OK; but I know it fails to launch metacity on boot. Do I simply run Startup Applications and type it in? Or is there something to fix first? (I have no idea *why* it fails to launch.) -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is. -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines