On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Rahul Sundaram <metherid@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Sometimes, the problem is not what they do but what they don't do. There is no instructions to install nvidia drivers on Fedora's site. Normal, since Fedora doesn't encourage the use of proprietary software. So, a place like FedoraFaq provides instructions, instructions that don't work (at least until lately). I know by experience. I know too that wrong instructions are all over the place.
When something like this happens, maybe somebody of the Fedora board, or on request from the board, should ask FedoraFaq to either modify or remove the information. Once again, you'll say it's not Fedora's problem since the info on Fedora's site is, it also seems to me, fairly accurate and Fedora doesn't support proprietary software.
The problem is some people -- gamers and 3D users -- need the Nvidia driver and, since the site that provides instructions has Fedora in it, they believe it's a most official source they can get instructions from. If they don't get correct instructions they're pissed off at Fedora, wrongfully, of course, but pissed off nonetheless.
Steven Ballmer himself could be running FedoraFaq, he could bash the users for not understanding his instructions, what would the Fedora board do? People from the board or formerly from the board apparently read this list. I expressed my concerns about FedoraFAQ, I said the FF guy doesn't answer messages, doesn't correct the misinformation. Nobody ever said the info was correct. What did the board do? If, as a simple user, I know about such problems, how come the board doesn't?
Have you ever seen sites such as microsoftfaq, applefaq... or redhatfaq, or even centosfaq? There are sites with Mac, such as macrumors or macworld. I don't know these sites. They might be just some kind of Apple subsidiaries, but maybe not(1). In such a case, if I was Apple, I wouldn't even allow this. You could put Apple or Mac in the headers or the title of the page, but not use apple or mac as a domain name... that is if the law allows this interdiction.
(1) Here, Mac magazines just don't question how, with 100 millions of equipment, Apple was never able to detect such a fundamental antenna problem.:
http://www.macrumors.com/ (this page , of course, will eventually change). Here's an excerpt for eventually searching:
"While the new section of Apple's site provides an interesting glimpse into the company's $100 million investment in antenna design and testing labs, Apple went one step further and invited 11 members of the media on a brief tour of the previously-secret labs following today's event."
and here: http://www.macworld.com/article/152771/2010/07/wireless_lab.html
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A copyrighted name is very important, not only for proprietary software but for open source software too, I would say even more, because of the resources multinational companies have at their disposal to set blogs, lists or forums awry. I don't say if it's the case now, but I know it could happen. In a word, if Linux can't be bought, it can be subverted easily by a lack of regulation.
Where can I read the board's position on the name copyright? Last time I enquired, I was told there there is no Fedora constitution or statuses because, in the US, Fedora can't be considered as a separate entity from Red Hat. Still, there could be internal regulation rules. Just having a way to elect a board doesn't seem sufficient to me.
Geeks, like the all-programmers team of the board, think the less regulation, the better. But it's when you write regulation that the possibility of conflict of interests arises. Of course, as long as there's no regulation, things can go on "as is" for a long time but, one fine day, the rotten conflict blows out in the open and it's too late to fix it.
This is Red Hat's board of directors:
http://investors.redhat.com/directors.cfm
From their biography, how many do you believe are programmers? Not too many I would think. So, how come there are so many programmers on Fedora's board and so little on Red Hat's. I'm sure, clever as programmers are, you noticed this at first sight. So what is needed to run a software company or... project, administrators or programmers?
Governance in Fedora is rather light weight and board in particular does
not interfere in day to day routine work which is led by contributors.
Sometimes, the problem is not what they do but what they don't do. There is no instructions to install nvidia drivers on Fedora's site. Normal, since Fedora doesn't encourage the use of proprietary software. So, a place like FedoraFaq provides instructions, instructions that don't work (at least until lately). I know by experience. I know too that wrong instructions are all over the place.
When something like this happens, maybe somebody of the Fedora board, or on request from the board, should ask FedoraFaq to either modify or remove the information. Once again, you'll say it's not Fedora's problem since the info on Fedora's site is, it also seems to me, fairly accurate and Fedora doesn't support proprietary software.
The problem is some people -- gamers and 3D users -- need the Nvidia driver and, since the site that provides instructions has Fedora in it, they believe it's a most official source they can get instructions from. If they don't get correct instructions they're pissed off at Fedora, wrongfully, of course, but pissed off nonetheless.
Steven Ballmer himself could be running FedoraFaq, he could bash the users for not understanding his instructions, what would the Fedora board do? People from the board or formerly from the board apparently read this list. I expressed my concerns about FedoraFAQ, I said the FF guy doesn't answer messages, doesn't correct the misinformation. Nobody ever said the info was correct. What did the board do? If, as a simple user, I know about such problems, how come the board doesn't?
Have you ever seen sites such as microsoftfaq, applefaq... or redhatfaq, or even centosfaq? There are sites with Mac, such as macrumors or macworld. I don't know these sites. They might be just some kind of Apple subsidiaries, but maybe not(1). In such a case, if I was Apple, I wouldn't even allow this. You could put Apple or Mac in the headers or the title of the page, but not use apple or mac as a domain name... that is if the law allows this interdiction.
(1) Here, Mac magazines just don't question how, with 100 millions of equipment, Apple was never able to detect such a fundamental antenna problem.:
http://www.macrumors.com/ (this page , of course, will eventually change). Here's an excerpt for eventually searching:
"While the new section of Apple's site provides an interesting glimpse into the company's $100 million investment in antenna design and testing labs, Apple went one step further and invited 11 members of the media on a brief tour of the previously-secret labs following today's event."
and here: http://www.macworld.com/article/152771/2010/07/wireless_lab.html
=============
A copyrighted name is very important, not only for proprietary software but for open source software too, I would say even more, because of the resources multinational companies have at their disposal to set blogs, lists or forums awry. I don't say if it's the case now, but I know it could happen. In a word, if Linux can't be bought, it can be subverted easily by a lack of regulation.
Where can I read the board's position on the name copyright? Last time I enquired, I was told there there is no Fedora constitution or statuses because, in the US, Fedora can't be considered as a separate entity from Red Hat. Still, there could be internal regulation rules. Just having a way to elect a board doesn't seem sufficient to me.
Geeks, like the all-programmers team of the board, think the less regulation, the better. But it's when you write regulation that the possibility of conflict of interests arises. Of course, as long as there's no regulation, things can go on "as is" for a long time but, one fine day, the rotten conflict blows out in the open and it's too late to fix it.
This is Red Hat's board of directors:
http://investors.redhat.com/directors.cfm
From their biography, how many do you believe are programmers? Not too many I would think. So, how come there are so many programmers on Fedora's board and so little on Red Hat's. I'm sure, clever as programmers are, you noticed this at first sight. So what is needed to run a software company or... project, administrators or programmers?
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