On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Alan Cox <alan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hey, that's exactly the answer I said wouldn't help Red Hat. Great! I'm surprised it comes from a former kernel maintainer. Maybe that's the spirit at Red Hat?
It's true! But I know a software company who eliminated all competition because they took good note of my comments... amongst many others. Why does Apple make billions with a *NIX system while Linux cannot get much desktop market share? Are you really sure there's not a problem of attitude and, possibly, with the development model. Now that Red Hat knows -- because you're pretty close to Red Hat, I believe :) -- how long will it take before this bug gets fixed? Or is there some Bugzilla you'd like to refer me too to explain the obvious so that Red Hat responsibility is not involved?
And they ship OOo with such obvious bugs or do they make a special for Fedora users?
I don't care if people are stupid or not. I care about obvious bugs not being fixed and I wonder how come this can possibly happen, mainly when the competition -- read Google, Intel/Nokia -- is caring about users and striving to provide quality software. Did it ever occured to you that, after filling their search engine with Android users, Google could offer server services as efficiently as Red Hat, and with a huge user base?
Tell me, dear developer, how do you see Red Hat's future otherwise than as a remake of Sun's story? Developers are so clever one wonders how come Steve Jobs, who never wrote a line of code in his life, runs Apple.
What's this supposed to mean? That you can escape all problems by sending users to Bugzillas?
What makes sense to them? Failing? OK, Red Hat is doing fine now, but the scenery is changing fast. If you see the future as a continuation of yesterday, you're doomed. Did you ever wonder who's Steve Jobs or the management at Google's? They're people who have one thing in sight: the user. And they succeed. People who have geek "projects" in mind fail. Of course, Red Hat is moving forward but is it at the right pace? Google, who went public five years after Red Hat now has 25x the market capitalization. If your good friend :) Linux Torvalds had to entrust Linux's future to a company, which one would it be?
I strongly believe more attention should be given to users' problems and wills. Ask Shuttleworth. No Goldman and Sachs will make you a millionaire in his story. Not only is he putting every cent back into Canonical. but instead of getting a pay, he adds some of his own, only to accelerate growth. It's funny, I don't feel the same drive in Red Hat multi-millionaires *EOs. On a lesser scale Red Hat is facing the same growth problem as Microsoft.
Your buzz off answer won't solve this kind of problem. It never has and never will. If your spirit is the kind that rules at Red Hat, no doubt Red Hat is doomed.
> Ok, so that's why it's OK if it doesn't work! Windows at $35 (OEM) for 5-7If you want to run Windows then do so.
> years seems a better alternative though. Red Hat salesmen must be really
> competent. I certainly couldn't sell one Red Hat copy for sure.
Hey, that's exactly the answer I said wouldn't help Red Hat. Great! I'm surprised it comes from a former kernel maintainer. Maybe that's the spirit at Red Hat?
We will be very happy for you to
do so. Most sales people I know had a category for people like you -
the "I hope he buys the competitors product" category.
It's true! But I know a software company who eliminated all competition because they took good note of my comments... amongst many others. Why does Apple make billions with a *NIX system while Linux cannot get much desktop market share? Are you really sure there's not a problem of attitude and, possibly, with the development model. Now that Red Hat knows -- because you're pretty close to Red Hat, I believe :) -- how long will it take before this bug gets fixed? Or is there some Bugzilla you'd like to refer me too to explain the obvious so that Red Hat responsibility is not involved?
Red Hat has big contracts with some very big very bright and successful
companies.
And they ship OOo with such obvious bugs or do they make a special for Fedora users?
Now it could be they are all collectively stupid and you are
only the clueful person on the planet, but I umm doubt it somehow.
I don't care if people are stupid or not. I care about obvious bugs not being fixed and I wonder how come this can possibly happen, mainly when the competition -- read Google, Intel/Nokia -- is caring about users and striving to provide quality software. Did it ever occured to you that, after filling their search engine with Android users, Google could offer server services as efficiently as Red Hat, and with a huge user base?
Tell me, dear developer, how do you see Red Hat's future otherwise than as a remake of Sun's story? Developers are so clever one wonders how come Steve Jobs, who never wrote a line of code in his life, runs Apple.
Also you have another thing confused:
Fedora is a *project* not a product.
What's this supposed to mean? That you can escape all problems by sending users to Bugzillas?
Its a bunch of people who together
put in and get various things out of a common project for whatever reason
makes sense to them.
What makes sense to them? Failing? OK, Red Hat is doing fine now, but the scenery is changing fast. If you see the future as a continuation of yesterday, you're doomed. Did you ever wonder who's Steve Jobs or the management at Google's? They're people who have one thing in sight: the user. And they succeed. People who have geek "projects" in mind fail. Of course, Red Hat is moving forward but is it at the right pace? Google, who went public five years after Red Hat now has 25x the market capitalization. If your good friend :) Linux Torvalds had to entrust Linux's future to a company, which one would it be?
I strongly believe more attention should be given to users' problems and wills. Ask Shuttleworth. No Goldman and Sachs will make you a millionaire in his story. Not only is he putting every cent back into Canonical. but instead of getting a pay, he adds some of his own, only to accelerate growth. It's funny, I don't feel the same drive in Red Hat multi-millionaires *EOs. On a lesser scale Red Hat is facing the same growth problem as Microsoft.
Your buzz off answer won't solve this kind of problem. It never has and never will. If your spirit is the kind that rules at Red Hat, no doubt Red Hat is doomed.
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