On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:12 PM, DJ Delorie <dj@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 07/05/2010 01:13 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> Fact: the most difficult a process is to follow, the less people would follow it > > Fact: if it were too easy, spam would overwhelm everything else, and the > list would be useless. Not true: other lists manage just fine. >> Fact: a community benefits from all kinds of contribution, even from >> one-post people > > Fact: a community benefits more from people who care about > communicating, not just dumping a problem in someone else's lap. I don't see what's the point of that claim. >> Fact: the current system doesn't welcome one-time posts > > Fact: it does, if you subscribe. Subscribing makes one-time posts tedious, and quite likely many people would avoid doing them rather than subscribing (I know I would). >> Fact: the current system doesn't allow cross-posting > > Fact: This is a good thing. Focus, people! Focus! That is not a fact, that's an opinion, and one that should be enforced through policy. If there's a chance of the policy changing, the current system would make it difficult. >> Fact: the current system doesn't specify when the reply was meant for >> the receiver > > Fact: this is a problem with your mailer, not our list. What are you talking about? How can I create a filter to move this mail to my inbox, or find all mail 'list-id:users.lists.fedoraproject.org and to:me'. No matter which mailer I use, your system doesn't allow that. >> Fact: the current system doesn't allow to properly Cc people >> (non-subscribers) to a thread > > Fact: this is your *opinion* since you used the word "properly" Not an opinion, I used an adjective for brevity since I thought it was obvious, but I can specify: Fact: the current system doesn't allow to Cc people (non-subscribers) to a thread in a way that they are kept in Cc automatically by the MUAs >> I wan't aware there's a religious war about this, I just thought that >> whomever made the decision, didn't really had all the facts. > > Yet you chose facts which backed your opinion, and left out facts > which worked against you. *That* makes your post religious. > This isn't the kind of problem that gets solved with "facts" and > insults. I have not seen any *facts* against, only speculation, and opinions. Granted, the long-tail thing might be a bit of an opinion, as it's not proven, but I haven't seen any evidence against it. > This kind of problem only gets solved by people understanding > how it got the way it did, and carefully considering the ramifications > of any change (however minor), and being empowered to make those > changes. None of us are doing any of those, including you. You can see the results of those ramifications in mailing lists that already do what I'm saying. I don't see what else do you need. -- Felipe Contreras -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
