On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Bruno Wolff III <bruno@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 15:55:32 -0400,
> And RPMfusion provides instructions on how to get Nouveau out of the way toNo I don't think so. Fedora is designed to be self consistent. If third
> do a clean install. Why, as I was explaining to Dennis Gilmore, shouldn't
> the Nouveau developers provide instructions to do the opposite?
party packages mess it up, there isn't any way for the Fedora developers to
know any special magic needed to fix things without having detailed knowledge
of the third party packages. (Other than the standard uninstall the problem
package or reinstall from scratch, neither of which are good solutions in
this case.) Whereas RPMFusion is meant to be an add on to Fedora and the
combination of the two is meant to be self consistent. They need to know
both systems (though more detail about their stuff). They should be able to
tell you how to go back from having the nVidia kmod doing graphics to nouveau.
Ok, I'll take your POV. They should say why the module was 4-5 late... but they don't.
They must surely be aware that, now that Nouveau offers at least some basic 3D, some users, given the quirks that sometimes happen with kmod, must be interested to switch back to Nouveau, but they don't provide the info.
As a simple user, I'm not in a position to fight RPMFusion. So, if the Nouveau developers don't want to provide instructions on how to install Nouveau when NVIDIA is installed, people like Dennis Gilmore will find the hard way what "fight[ing] a tough battle" really means.
Until I got to RPMFusion's site, I had many problems installing the kmod module. This site had this recipe and the other had this one and nothing worked. But I could rely on Nouveau meanwhile. Now, Nouveau is disabled and I won't spend a month searching on the net with possibly the most basic Xorg driver.
If Nouveau developers want to make their fight even tougher, they have the right recipe: just don't tell how to revert from NVIDIA to Nouveau. Keep it secret! Not our business! Let the user have all the fun of searching and pestering.
Once again, I wonder why Fedora is doing so poorly on the desktop...
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