Hi I have just returned from holiday and updated F11 to latest state Server Centos 5.3 also updated There was no problem afaik before the upgrades !!!! My F11 client uses kdm, xfce, evolution ... and my home directory is an nfs4 mount from the server ------------------------------------------------------- 1. My backup script fails - refusing to copy files of the type cp: cannot open `/home/ja/.local/share/applications/defaults.list.3PEP0U' for reading: Permission denied naxos ~ 78# ls -l /home/ja/.local/share/applications/defaults.list.I4ZS0U ---------- 1 ja sysadmin 0 1970-05-08 03:02 /home/ja/.local/share/applications/defaults.list.I4ZS0U cp: cannot open `/home/ja/.kde/share/config/kconf_updaterc.lockGuIM8a.tmp' for reading: Permission denied naxos ~ 87# ls -l /home/ja/.kde/share/config/kconf_updaterc.lockGuIM8a.tmp ---------- 1 ja sysadmin 0 1970-02-01 03:34 /home/ja/.kde/share/config/kconf_updaterc.lockGuIM8a.tmp ------------------------------------------------------- With zero length and 000 permissions naxos ~ 86# find . -type f -size 0 -perm 000 |grep ".kde/share/config/*" |wc 11336 11336 532781 Even more with just zero length naxos ~ 84# find . -type f -size 0 |grep ".kde/share/config/*" |wc 23783 23783 1117791 The vast majority of the files are associated with kde ! naxos ~ 5# ja_null_files_ls |wc -l 43087 naxos ~ 6# ja_null_files_ls |grep .kde |wc -l 43008 There are a lot of these files in my home directory! 240,000 at one stage !!!! They take a very long time to delete The dates are strange some being in years 1970 and some 2038 ############################################################ Update My nfs4 mounted home directory is saved on a SSD disk with noatime set Removing the noatime seems to get rid of the 2038 dated file problem other problems described here are still present ############################################################ Why have these files appeared or have they always been there If so why does my simple cp now treat them differently 2. Evolution is now having great difficulty in reading/saving/deleting/filtering files Is this to do with problem 1 ? Also - when creating new message in evo a box pops up with Could not save to autosave file "". Error saving to autosave because "Could not open autosave file". 3. Thunar has great difficulty in showing thumbnails and deselects thumbnails when changing directory pcmanfm seems to work OK Is it a kde, nfs ... problem ? Any suggestions welcome John -------------------------------------------------------------------------- PS I have 4 little scripts to investigate with For 1970 dated files naxos ~ 1# cat bin/ja_null_files_ls #!/bin/bash find $HOME -type f -size 0 -mtime +10000 -print0 | xargs -0 ls -l -------------------------------------------------------------- For 2038 dated files naxos ~ 2# cat bin/ja_null_files_ls_future #!/bin/bash find $HOME -type f -size 0 -newermt "2030-02-01" -print0 | xargs -0 ls -l -------------------------------------------------------------- Second pair of scripts have rm instead of ls -l -------------------------------------------------------------- naxos ~ 9# ja_null_files_ls |less ---------- 1 ja sysadmin 0 1970-04-13 14:24 /home/ja/.evolution/.evolution-composer.autosave-3Q3D0U ---S--srw- 1 ja sysadmin 0 1970-04-11 04:20 /home/ja/.evolution/.evolution-composer.autosave-ATZC0U ---------- 1 ja sysadmin 0 1970-04-18 16:02 /home/ja/.evolution/.evolution-composer.autosave-DFFE0U ---S--srw- 1 ja sysadmin 0 1970-04-19 08:56 /home/ja/.evolution/.evolution-composer.autosave-EKHJ0U ---------- 1 ja sysadmin 0 1970-04-12 14:56 /home/ja/.evolution/.evolution-composer.autosave-GPAN0U ---------- 1 ja sysadmin 0 1970-04-17 22:57 /home/ja/.evolution/.evolution-composer.autosave-GUYR0U ---------- 1 ja sysadmin 0 1970-04-11 21:30 /home/ja/.evolution/.evolution-composer.autosave-GWOH0U ---S--srw- 1 ja sysadmin 0 1970-04-20 01:59 /home/ja/.evolution/.evolution-composer.autosave-JXSW0U ---S--srw- 1 ja sysadmin 0 1970-04-15 01:59 /home/ja/.evolution/.evolution-composer.autosave-OAMW0U ---S--srw- 1 ja sysadmin 0 1970-04-14 07:59 /home/ja/.evolution/.evolution-composer.autosave-QAJS0U ---S--srw- 1 ja sysadmin 0 1970-04-17 05:51 /home/ja/.evolution/.evolution-composer.autosave-RTTF0U ---------- 1 ja sysadmin 0 1970-04-16 12:45 /home/ja/.evolution/.evolution-composer.autosave-S9ZU0U ---S--srw- 1 ja sysadmin 0 1970-04-15 19:31 /home/ja/.evolution/.evolution-composer.autosave-ZYQT0U ---------- 1 ja sysadmin 0 1970-01-14 17:26 /home/ja/.kde/share/config/kconf_updaterc06fevc.new ---------- 1 ja sysadmin 0 1970-01-14 22:22 /home/ja/.kde/share/config/kconf_updaterc0A5kOa.new ---------- 1 ja sysadmin 0 1970-01-18 12:39 /home/ja/.kde/share/config/kconf_updaterc0EZsJa.new --w-rw---x 1 ja sysadmin 0 1970-01-14 22:15 /home/ja/.kde/share/config/kconf_updaterc0I2gOa.new -r--rwx-wx 1 ja sysadmin 0 1970-01-18 14:51 /home/ja/.kde/share/config/kconf_updaterc0Ii9Yb.new ---xrwx-wx 1 ja sysadmin 0 1970-01-13 17:19 /home/ja/.kde/share/config/kconf_updaterc0JJLgc.new ... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines