On 09/16/2009 02:14 PM, jack craig wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I am using a FC11 os and want to learn Java. > > I am faced with choices that i don't have good answers for and wonder > what wisdom this group may have to offer? > > first, IDE's; there are eclipse and IcedTea6 (which doenst have much > doc), are there others i am missing? > > anyone got pros/cons for eclipse or icedtea? > > also, there is the sun jdk, but this os seems to have openjdk also, > anyone comment on this choice? > openjdk also seems shy of install/config docs, ... ??? may both be > installed & usable at once? > (not at the same time of course). > > all comments welcome, tia, jackc... > I have used Eclipse and Netbeans for quite some time. I don't know much about 'IcedTea6'. My experience with Eclipse has been pretty good although there are problems and you can get around these problems if you know what to do. For example, when downloading and installing plugins or modules, not 'everything' is installable. You have to know what it is that you need, where to get it, and from a URI's that may not be present in your Eclipse software list. Takes some getting used to and sometimes there are nuances such as the older Eclipse versions did not have smooth handling of downloads without hanging due to disconnects and had to be manually restarted. They have improved on this problem with Galileo. Eclipse's Ganymede does not run on F11 because XULRunner API has changed however, Fedora's Ganymede works on F11 only because a patch has been applied to work with the new XULRunner APIs. As for Netbeans, it is different from Eclipse in organization and in operation. But I do like it. Both Eclipse and Netbeans takes some getting used to and has somewhat a steep learning curve depending on what you want to do. There are plenty of tutorials and examples for both. AS for CVS, other than setting up a repository, which can be tough, it works very well on both IDEs. Of the SVN problems, I found that the major problems I was faced with is the the different flavours of SVN clients and it varies, can cause confusion and the methods of installing it, whether it is via Maven, via Tigris.org, or provided eclipse. I find that the Eclipse subclipse does not work for me. For example, to use the tigris site, one should NOT install eclipse's svn clients at all including SVNKit, anything that "smells" of subclipse, instead to download entirely from tigris.org and of the right version. The other problem is, make sure you choose the right version of svn that your repository is using, be it v1.4x or v1.6x. Make sure that subversion itself is properly installed, Once you get your ducks lined up properly, it works. It is not easy at first, but once you have it, you're ready to go. What if you have both versions of repositories such as a local repository of v1.4x and a remote repository of v1.6x, what to do? I have not encountered this myself, and I would wonder how one gets around this problem as you cannot have both subclipse versions in the same Eclipse code base. It is quite possible to have Eclipse installed in one physical area containing the v1.4x subclipse and yet have another Eclipse (same version) installed in another physical area containing v1.6x, and it seems like a painful way to go about it, but at least it could work. I have not tried this myself. The problems of subversion exist for both IDEs as it takes getting used to each IDE's svn clients as they are different in organization and use. And like any tool, each has their strengths and weaknesses and I use one, the other, or both, depending on what I am doing. FWIW, Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
