Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?

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On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 19:34 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Craig White wrote:
> > On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 19:31 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> >> If it doesn't work out of the box there are no tools to ever make it
> >> work, which 
> >> is why PA should be in the toybox, not the default.
> > ----
> > ignoring the reality that PA works for most people out of the box, I
> > would agree with you but I can't ignore the reality. It works for me. It
> > has worked for me on every computer I have installed Fedora on. It works
> > for me on every computer I have installed Ubuntu on.
> > 
> So tools to correct the cases which don't work out of the box and can't be made 
> to work are not needed because it works most of the time? What do we need this 
> Linux for anyway, after all Windows works most of the time...
----
you make less sense every time you get deeper into this discussion.

If you think Windows is less trouble, you should use Windows. I don't
have a problem with that.

If you think pulse audio is a problem, then don't use it. I have no
problem with that.

pulse audio is little more than a collection layer for audio from
various sources. I am fairly convinced that most of the griping I see on
this list about pulse audio has less to do with pulse audio than people
having trouble getting their Intel motherboard audio to work properly.
Pulseaudio just seems to be a convenient spot to focus one's blame.

I recognize that it is frustrating to have problems, even regressions
with new releases of Fedora but you have to keep in mind that the
kernel, the kernel modules and of course the underlying software is
still in a rapid state of change and the way to make it work for
yourself and everyone else behind you is to perform diligent bug
reports.

If you think that I don't understand these issues, I have had bug
reports about not being able to boot Optiplex 320's via grub since
Fedora 7.

Griping on this list is for losers.

Craig


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