On Thursday 23 July 2009 20:48:44 jdow wrote: > From: "Robert P. J. Day" <rpjday@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, 2009/July/23 10:56 > > > apologies for the unduly harsh tone but, seriously, will there ever > > be radeon drivers available for fedora that aren't complete junk? > > this has been going on for some time now, and nothing's changed. > > Hell no. This is X-windows. I've had drivers crashing left and right on > my old laptop since FC5 or so. And it's just been getting worse with time > not better. Now I understand why ATI drivers are crap on Windows, too. > They must play the Adaptec game, you pick your chip rev for the bugs you > are willing to work around. Over the last 5 or so years I have developed > an intense hate for ATI anything, even now that they are related to AMD. +1 It seems that radeon driver works for some cards (typically old/low-end ones), but in general it is basically a complete gamble. Proprietary ATI drivers Just Don't Work (tm). And it's been like that since I got my first ATI card (at the time of FC2). The situation is really sad --- ATI claim to support open source, yet they release the code only for obsolete cards. Intel cards are open source, but that still doesn't mean that bugs get fixed, and the driver is extremely unstable. This leaves us with nVidia --- yum install akmod-nvidia and everything Just Works. Yes, it's closed source, but it works, contrary to both ATI and Intel. I really don't understand why so many people hate nVidia. It has good support, they demonstrated very good cooperation with KDE4 developers recently, the driver works with both high- and low-end cards... Yes, it is closed source, but so is ATI (except for the old X-family cards). And people at nVidia are at least honest about not giving the source. If you want a high-end graphics card to do 3D/gaming/googleearth/Compiz/whatever, nVidia (with binary drivers) is basically the only choice. ATI drivers don't work with 3D, open-source radeon driver doesn't support HD cards, and Intel just doesn't have high-end graphics cards. I know, nVidia also had its bad moments, but on large timescale they demonstrate stability. ATI has never demonstrated any. I'll never buy ATI graphics card again. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines