Dear fellow fedora users, I have a machine with a supported Dlink wireless card, but it is not working properly. IT connects for a little while and then the connection gets dropped: 03:06.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR2413 802.11bg NIC (rev 01) can't and could not send smolt profile: [olivares@localhost Download]$ cd ~ [olivares@localhost ~]$ smoltSendProfile Unable to save UUID, continuing... Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/smoltSendProfile", line 35, in <module> from scan import scan, rating File "/usr/share/smolt/client/scan.py", line 30, in <module> h = smolt.Hardware() File "/usr/share/smolt/client/smolt.py", line 359, in __init__ self.devices[udi] = Device(props) File "/usr/share/smolt/client/smolt.py", line 134, in __init__ self.UUID = getUUID() File "/usr/share/smolt/client/smolt.py", line 1015, in getUUID sys.err.write(_('Your UUID file could not be created: %s\n' % e)) AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'err' wlan0: authenticate with AP 00:1c:58:05:e8:b0 wlan0: authenticated wlan0: associate with AP 00:1c:58:05:e8:b0 wlan0: RX AssocResp from 00:1c:58:05:e8:b0 (capab=0x431 status=0 aid=78) wlan0: associated ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wlan0: link becomes ready wlan0: no IPv6 routers present wlan0: authenticate with AP 00:1c:58:05:e7:a0 wlan0: authenticated wlan0: associate with AP 00:1c:58:05:e7:a0 wlan0: RX ReassocResp from 00:1c:58:05:e7:a0 (capab=0x431 status=0 aid=42) wlan0: associated wlan0: authenticate with AP 00:1c:58:05:e8:b0 wlan0: deauthenticated wlan0: authenticated wlan0: associate with AP 00:1c:58:05:e8:b0 wlan0: RX ReassocResp from 00:1c:58:05:e8:b0 (capab=0x431 status=0 aid=79) wlan0: associated wlan0: deauthenticated wlan0: authenticate with AP 00:1c:58:05:e8:b0 wlan0: authenticated wlan0: associate with AP 00:1c:58:05:e8:b0 wlan0: RX ReassocResp from 00:1c:58:05:e8:b0 (capab=0x431 status=0 aid=80) wlan0: associated ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2417MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2417 Mhz) wlan0: failed to restore operational channel after scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2422 Mhz) wlan0: authenticate with AP 00:1c:58:05:e8:b0 wlan0: authenticate with AP 00:1c:58:05:e8:b0 ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: can't reset hardware (-11) wlan0: Failed to config new BSSID to the low-level driver wlan0: authenticate with AP 00:1c:58:05:e8:b0 wlan0: authentication with AP 00:1c:58:05:e8:b0 timed out ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2412MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2412 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2412 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2417MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2417 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2417 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2422 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2422 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2427MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2427 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2427 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2432MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2432 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2432 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2437 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2442 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2447 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2452 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2457 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2462 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to restore operational channel after scan __ratelimit: 15 callbacks suppressed ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2412MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2412 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2412 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2417MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2417 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2417 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2422 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2422 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2427MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2427 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2427 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2432MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2432 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2432 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2437 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2442 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2447 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2452 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2457 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2462 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to restore operational channel after scan __ratelimit: 14 callbacks suppressed ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: can't reset hardware (-11) wlan0: Failed to config new SSID to the low-level driver ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2412MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2412 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2412 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2417MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2417 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2417 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2422 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2422 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2427MHz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2427 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2432 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2437 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2442 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2447 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2452 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2457 MHz for scan __ratelimit: 13 callbacks suppressed ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2462MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2462 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2462 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2422 Mhz) wlan0: failed to restore operational channel after scan ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2412MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2412 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2412 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2417MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2417 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2417 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2422 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2422 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2427MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2427 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2427 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2432MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2432 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2432 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2437 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2442 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2447 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2452 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2457 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2462 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to restore operational channel after scan __ratelimit: 14 callbacks suppressed ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2412MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2412 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2412 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2417MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2417 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2417 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2422 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2422 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2427MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2427 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2427 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2432MHz) ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2432MHz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2432 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2437 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2442 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2447 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2452 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2457 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2462 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to restore operational channel after scan __ratelimit: 15 callbacks suppressed ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2412MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2412 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2412 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2417MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2417 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2417 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2422 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2422 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2427MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2427 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2427 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2432MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2432 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2432 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2437 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2442 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2447 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2452 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2457 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2462 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to restore operational channel after scan __ratelimit: 15 callbacks suppressed ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2412MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2412 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2412 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2417MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2417 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2417 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2422 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2422 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2427MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2427 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2427 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2432MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2432 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2432 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2437 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2442 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2447 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2452 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2457 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2462 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to restore operational channel after scan __ratelimit: 15 callbacks suppressed ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2412MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2412 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2412 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2417MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2417 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2417 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2422 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2422 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2427MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2427 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2427 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2432MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2432 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2432 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2437 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2442 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2447 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2452 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2457 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2462 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to restore operational channel after scan __ratelimit: 15 callbacks suppressed ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2412MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2412 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2412 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2417MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2417 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2417 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2422 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2422 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2427MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2427 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2427 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2432MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2432 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2432 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2437 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2442 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2447 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2452 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2457 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2462 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to restore operational channel after scan __ratelimit: 14 callbacks suppressed ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2412MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2412 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2412 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2417MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2417 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2417 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2422 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2422 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2427MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2427 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2427 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2432MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2432 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2432 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2437 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2442 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2447 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2452 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2457 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2462 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to restore operational channel after scan __ratelimit: 15 callbacks suppressed ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2412MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2412 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2412 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2417MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2417 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2417 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2422 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2422 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2427MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2427 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2427 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2432MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2432 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2432 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2437 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2442 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2447 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2452 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2457 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2462 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to restore operational channel after scan __ratelimit: 15 callbacks suppressed ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2412MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2412 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2412 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2417MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2417 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2417 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2422 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2422 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2427MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2427 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2427 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2432MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2432 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2432 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2437 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2442 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2447 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2452 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2457 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2462 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to restore operational channel after scan __ratelimit: 14 callbacks suppressed ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2412MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2412 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2412 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2417MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2417 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2417 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2422 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2422 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2427MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2427 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2427 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2432MHz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2432 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2437 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2442 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2447 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2452 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2457 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2462 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to restore operational channel after scan __ratelimit: 15 callbacks suppressed ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2422MHz) r8169: eth0: link up ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2422MHz) eth0: no IPv6 routers present ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2412MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2412 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2412 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2417MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2417 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2417 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2422 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2422 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2427MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2427 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2427 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2432MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2432 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2432 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2437MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2437 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2437 MHz for scan ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2442MHz) ath5k phy0: ath5k_chan_set: unable to reset channel (2442 Mhz) wlan0: failed to set freq to 2442 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2447 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2452 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2457 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to set freq to 2462 MHz for scan wlan0: failed to restore operational channel after scan __ratelimit: 11 callbacks suppressed ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2422MHz) [root@localhost ~]# Despite that fedora is my favorite OS, I have to "not run it" because it drops my connection and I have to run Windows on it so that I can actually do work. I lost one of my Fedora Rawhide Machines on which I did my normal work and I need a dependable machine so I can do my normal work. What should I do? I patiently await a 2.6.29 kernel for this machine and I can compile in case it takes to long to get here :), on rawhide still with -0.258.2?? kernel not yet 2.6.29 :) Are there any bugs out there? I have a laptop that also uses the ath(5)(9)k drivers and it does not drop the connects and I run rawhide on it. Please advice me as to what to do. Thanks in Advance, Antonio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines