On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 23:51 -0500, Brian C. Huffman wrote: > Alright I hate Microsoft. I really do. But here I am at 11:45pm on > a Sunday night and my wife needs to print a paper for tomorrow. > > My Fedora cups / samba server worked before and now it doesnt. Was > it an update that broke? I dunno. But this is why RedHat / Fedora is > never going to take the upper hand. Reboots on both platforms, a bunch > of tcpdumps and still no idea. No real user should have to go through > this. Sure Ill figure it out. But is that what someone wants when > theyve got a paper to print thats due tomorrow? A few months ago I installed a new HP C5180 multifunction printer on my home network. I have 3 machines at home. Here's what happened when configuring the printer in each one: 1) My wife's iMac: "Do you want to use this Printer?". "Yes". Total time, 5 seconds. 2) My Fedora desktop: "yum install hplip". Run hp-setup and answer some questions. Total time, say 15 minutes including download time. 3) My daughter's Toshiba laptop with Windows Vista: insert the install CD *which came with the printer*. Chug chug chug. Printer not working, in fact not even visible to Vista. Download a later install CD from hp.com. Still not working. Contact HP Support by email ... dolly back, fade to black ... Three days later, after half a dozen emails back and forth, get a newer version of driver CD, which can't be installed directly but has to be physically burned to a CD. Finally get the thing sort of working, when it's the right phase of the moon (I'm skipping the dozen or so system reboots of course). So, whose fault is all this? The driver belongs to HP, the system belongs to MS. My answer: the fault is the whole blasted Windows ecosystem. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines