On Aug 26, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Craig White wrote:
On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 15:24 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
(Giving a little more detail:)
On Aug 23, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Craig White wrote:
Actually, I pre-partitioned the yaboot partition and the Linux big
partition with the Mac OS X utility, as well. And the Mac OS 9
utility.
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I had hoped that someone with experience with multi-boot on Macintosh
would have piped in because I lack this experience myself but I got
the
impression that the Fedora installer created the yaboot partition
itself
but I may have just let it.
When you let it do the automatic setup it does.
But Anaconda still isn't able to use it on my iBook.
looking at a Mac with Fedora 8 installed, the anaconda-ks.cfg
reports...
#clearpart --all --initlabel --drives=hda
#part appleboot --fstype "Apple Bootstrap" --size=1 --ondisk=hda
#part /boot --fstype ext3 --size=100 --ondisk=hda
#part / --fstype ext3 --size=1 --grow --ondisk=hda
#part swap --size=256 --grow --maxsize=512 --ondisk=hda
So evidently, I must have allowed the druid to create the
partitions but
note that anaconda on a ppc permits an fstype of 'Apple Bootstrap' so
yeah, if you are gonna install multi-boot, you gotta have 1 mb
partition
designated for it.
this may be useful (apparently you can't use fdisk on an Apple system)
# parted -l
Model: Maxtor 6Y080L0 (ide)
Disk /dev/hda: 82.0GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: mac
Number Start End Size File system Name Flags
1 512B 32.8kB 32.3kB Apple
2 32.8kB 1081kB 1049kB hfs untitled boot
3 1081kB 106MB 105MB ext3 untitled
4 106MB 641MB 535MB linux-swap swap swap
5 641MB 82.0GB 81.3GB ext3 untitled
obviously the yaboot partition is #2
That's a 100G drive?
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I haven't done multi-boot Mac's but I have done a bunch of
different Mac
setups. I'm not really a fan of multi-boot on any hardware choice.
Different requirements. I need to take time out to learn how to
program for ODF and PDF, so I can build programs that will do some
things I presently use AppleWorks documents to accomplish. Until
then, I need to be able to do a lot of work in the Mac OS.
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Appleworks is a black hole...it's virtually impossible to get
documents
out of Appleworks unless you are willing to open each one
individually,
save it as the Microsoft equivalent which is a time hog.
Well, actually, Apple's iWok^Hrk suite, now that I look things up, is
supposed to import a lot of the old AppleWorks stuff okay now. Just
not the vector stuff.
As for being a black hole, yeah, the data format is archaic.
OOo has a terrific set of tools for document creation...I think it
puts
Appleworks to shame.
Different strokes for different folks. OOo feels clumsy to me. Feels
too much like MSOffice.
That may be in part because I've been burned by MSOffice so many
times that even the slightest whiff of MS turns my stomach.
But what I'm using that is indispensable to me right now is a little
feature where you can bury a spreadsheet in a "draw" document, show
small windows on the printable page, and use the sort function with
random keys to randomize the words in the printed list. Kind of a
slick way to make word bingo cards, among other things. And I'm doing
a lot of less program-like stuff with the drawing software, too.
That SVG editor (inkscape?) that was in the news recently may help a
lot for when I need to do drawings.
Thinking about this, I suppose I should be able to build something
similar with hidden worksheets in the MSOffice-centric way of
thinking. Maybe I'll try that with OOo sometime. (I do use it on
other, more powerful hardware. And I have to admit, I should not be
surprised if the AppleWorks version might turn out to be less
intuitive to my fellow teachers who might want to use the teaching
materials I'm creating than an MSExcel "workbook" or whatever that
would be called. Also, I've thought, several times, that I might be
able to get even better effects by programing a plugin for OOo, just
haven't had the time and luck to figure out how to get a handle on
that yet.)
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Anyway, if there is an openfirmware incantation that I can use
instead of installing yaboot, I could try that the next time I have
time to work on this.
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I don't think so (on ppc...this is all you get) - OFI is for the Intel
based Macs
I think you mean EFI, which is iNTEL's take on openfirmware?
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Hate to be noisy, but I sure appreciate any pointers I can get.
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you probably got the best I had to offer - I actually made a clean
install of OS 9.1 that I then made into a dmg file with 'Disk Utility'
so I could just dump a full OS 9 setup onto any computer running
OSX so
it would work in Classic Mode or reboot to OS 9 if I chose it in
'Startup Disk' (it's just under 300 mb).
That might also work, but the games aren't the only things. An old
Metrowerks compiler/IDE, for example, easily consumes 1G, and I'm not
anxious to put that on an image file on this 300MHz iBook. Don't know
how much longer I'll need it, but I still need it for a little while.
Actually, there are a number of ways I can free up partitions, once I
get some old cruft cleared away in the dd-ed copy of the previous
boot partition, but that's really not on-topic here.
I filed a bug report on the part of this where gparted won't make a
small enough partition on my disk and anaconda won't use the
partitions I can make -- bugzilla #460390
Thanks for trading ideas.
Hopefully, I can either get the time to get openBSD set up with X11
and the Gimp and OOo or I can find out enough to get it to boot
ofboot and yaboot from my Mac OS 9 partition in the next few months.
Really want to see how heavy OOo is in Linux on this box. The
NeoOffice fork of OOo was too heavy on Mac OS X 10.2 with 192M of
RAM. If I want to try that again, or if I want to try the new OOo for
X11 on the Mac, I'll have to upgrade the iBook to 10.3, and I'm not
anxious to spend the money and time on that. I'd rather just get a
new notebook that can handle it OOo better under Linux. Some of these
webbooks look really nice, and especially handy for when I want to do
some work on the train.
More rambling than useful information here, hopefully not too much
noise.
Joel Rees
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