Antonio Olivares wrote:
--- Timothy Murphy <gayleard@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I'm finding it very difficult to understand
the Sound setup in Fedora-9 with KDE.
Previously, sound did not work at all when I
re-booted.
But after some unrecorded sequence of clicks
on f=>Applications=>Multimedia=>Sound Mixer
it suddenly started working.
Today, I wondered if the problem was something to do
with pulseaudio, so I tried killing this and
re-starting it.
But I got the more or less incomprehensible error
message below:
----------------------------------
[tim@elizabeth ~]$ sudo killall pulseaudio
[tim@elizabeth ~]$ sudo pulseaudio -D
W: main.c: This program is not intended to be run as
root (unless --system
is specified).
[tim@elizabeth ~]$ pulseaudio -D
N: main.c: Called SUID root and
real-time/high-priority scheduling was
requested in the configuration. However, we lack the
necessary priviliges:
N: main.c: We are not in group 'pulse-rt' and
PolicyKit refuse to grant us
priviliges. Dropping SUID again.
N: main.c: For enabling real-time scheduling please
acquire the appropriate
PolicyKit priviliges, or become a member of
'pulse-rt', or increase the
RLIMIT_NICE/RLIMIT_RTPRIO resource limits for this
user.
----------------------------------
So I added myself to the pulse-rt entry in
/etc/group with vigr
(and the shadow file with vigr -S).
Then I pressed ctrl-alt-backspace and logged in
again.
Now I get sound, but it is very quiet,
although every slider that I can see is pushed to
the maximum.
Also the loudspeaker in the panel has disappeared.
I thought this was the icon for Sound Mixer,
but I find this is not so;
when I right click on Sound Mixer and add the icon
to the panel
it is quite different.
Surely I cannot be the only person having these
problems
with Sound under Fedora-9?
I should say that this is on an IBM ThinkPad T23.
Multimedia and in particular Sound is easily the
weakest chain
in Fedora, and has been for several versions of
Fedora.
The whole Sound system is absurdly complicated,
and disentangling it is like eating spaghetti.
I'd like to say to the Fedora and KDE sound teams,
"Please don't add or subtract anything
until you have properly documented what is already
there.
Try adding some test files, and check that your
error messages
are comprehensible, with advice on what steps to
take."
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I have seen many warnings that "**** so so package is
unavailable and will not be used fallback to other *?"
and sound works. I still hear sound, I logout and log
back and I see the same warnings :( I guess I am
guessed to it. I type
$ alsamixer
and I see a slider with only pulseaudio in some cases,
and in others I see an error that pulseaudio ....?
KDE used arts sound system, still uses it? The
integration of pulseaudio on it caused a great deal of
frustrations --> see Fedora 8 in case you need to be
refreshed. It is working its way up and still not
there yet :( "FOR ALL USERS". Other distros have
also included pulseaudio, Ubuntu, Mandriva, but not
all of them. The sound configuring tool has been
removed from Fedora *** cut + pasted from release
notes ***
8.1. Sound Card Utility
The system-config-soundcard utility has been removed,
due to numerous legacy design and implementation
issues. Modern technologies, including udev and the
HAL, have made certain sound cards work out of the
box. Any sound card not working out of the box should
be reported as a bug. Preferences can still be
fine-tuned within the desktop environment, using,
among others, the PulseAudio tools.
and some users are having difficulties getting sound
to work, maybe their sound cards are not supported :(
and it is not Fedora's fault or maybe sound used to
work before and now it does not :(.
If the hardware was supported in FC[45678] and worked, then if it's not
supported in FC9, how is it not Fedora's fault? That's not a complaint,
I just don't see how the fault can lie elsewhere, if the Fedora team
didn't break sound, who did, Bill Gates?
I have a four solution to sound and FC9, (1) does this system need sound
badly enough to justify the effort of getting it working? (2) Does sound
work if I rip PulseAudio and all dependencies out forever (usually yes)?
(3) Does the need justify hours of diddling PA and probably installing a
new sound card? Finally (4) how long does it take to go back to FC8 or
install CentOS? I have used them all, in that order.
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Bill Davidsen <davidsen@xxxxxxx>
"We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot
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