Mea culpa. Having attacked NM (NetworkManager) unmercifully in the past, I now find myself completely at his (her?) mercy, as he/she is the only way of connecting one of my current laptop (with WiFi) to the real world. For some reason, system-config-network has been getting steadily worse over the last few months, and now does not work at all. (At its best it worked about 65% of the time.) Is anyone successfully using the network service + system-config-network with Fedora-8 (updated)? To be more precise, has anyone found themselves NOT connected with WiFi, and found the problem solved by running system-config-network? Sorry, John Linville. Sorry, NM. Mea maxima culpa. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland