On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 9:54 AM, John W. Linville <linville@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I'm posting this message to no one in particular, in hopes that it > becomes part of the common lore... > I'm a little hurt. I read it as being specifically intended for me. :) And it does help. I'm going to conduct more tests, but it is starting to appear that one culprit was the wpa_supplicant process that was started at boot time. I don't know why, but there was always a wpa_supplicant process running, even though I have no wpa networks. I believe this was set that way by Fedora 6 or Fedora 7, and F8 inherited it. I knew to turn off "network" but not wpa_supplicant. After turning off the wpa_supplicant service, (making sure network is off too), and turning on NetworkManager and NetworkManagerDispatcher, and restarting, I found that after I ran the user program "nm-applet" , I could join some wireless networks today. I'm driving around to some other places to try to find some other kinds of wireless routers. In my town, businesses are very friendly in offering free wireless access in their stores. Very pleasant compared to some European countries I've visited. > Please, as the first step in trying to get wireless working on Fedora, > before you do anything else, please just try: > > service NetworkManager start > > Please note that I said to try that _first_. Specifically, "first" > does not mean "after I ran system-config-network" or "after I started > wpa_supplicant" or even "after I tried to configure things manually". > "First" means _first_. > > Please? > > John > -- > John W. Linville > linville@xxxxxxxxxx > -- Paul E. Johnson Professor, Political Science 1541 Lilac Lane, Room 504 University of Kansas