well. i made sure kyum was closed, and deleted livna.repo, then (again) re-installed livna-release. ha! this time it came out right! i hadn't had any problems with kyum till a few days ago, when i disabled 2 of 3 repos (incl. livna) to see what was in the third. strange days. thanks for the help. charles zeitler : Do What Thou Wilt : : Shall Be : : The Whole of The Law : --Aleister Crowley--